MAFIA XXXVII: THE WHEEL OF WEB-TIME

[Foxcastle]

Interesting that Peter's wagon is very similar to how it was EOD1 before the migration to thedipplayer

Sigh. Sorry, Ike. I called you out for posting observations without taking another step on them, and here I am doing it myself.

I don't have a lot of experience playing with Vecna, but I don't think of him as this tunnely. Of everyone on that wagon, worcej and teacher look worst to me—worcej for reasons I've pointed out, and teacher for going back to Peter after Day 1's lynch. I expect the first three (Vecna, Bismarck, Damo) to stick it out, but am curious if Worcej and Teacher will jump as the wagons close up...

[DoubtingThomas]

teacher seems town to me, and even though he might be very capable of looking like town as scum, I do not think he should be lynched now.

Is it because he is your scum buddy?

If teacher flips scum, you are being voted next

[Vecna]

Damn, the brainbomb wagon vanished completely eh?

[bozotheclown]

Part 1
Can someone reiterate why Peterlund both became a wagon and evaporated?

This makes me suspicious of teacher who abandoned this to join me on yav. And id venture a guess that if leter and yav both flip town, teacher is scum.

You don't read posts which aren't about you, do you? Peter was supposedly scum because he suggested the back and forth between you and Jamie was an act (i.e. you were both scum). Then he was pronounced "not scum" because he didn't panic when he became the top wagon.

I personally believe that the reasoning for peter to be scum was slim...but I don't believe that once on the wagon Peter not panicking was enough to now decide he wasn't scum (I am sure he has played enough games to know not to panic) and choose another $RANDOM target.

Though the final choice wasn't horrible as thedipplayer wasn't making much of an effort anyway.

So BB and Jamie both pointed this out on their posts a little before this one, and here again, although flash isn't necessarily agreeing with them, they are all in agreement that it is very suspicious to have the sudden change in the tide to vote theDip.

Teacher's explanation of voting theDip who is a lurker is very weak, as he claims there was 30 minutes left and he wanted to 'break the wagon' while quickly changing reads on peter who he has been pushing for a long time.

##VOTE Teacher2

Is your suspicion of teacher because he switched from peter to thedipplayer based on the assumption that peter is scum? If so, why not lynch peter first to make sure he is scum?

[DoubtingThomas]

You don't read posts which aren't about you, do you? Peter was supposedly scum because he suggested the back and forth between you and Jamie was an act (i.e. you were both scum). Then he was pronounced "not scum" because he didn't panic when he became the top wagon.

I personally believe that the reasoning for peter to be scum was slim...but I don't believe that once on the wagon Peter not panicking was enough to now decide he wasn't scum (I am sure he has played enough games to know not to panic) and choose another $RANDOM target.

Though the final choice wasn't horrible as thedipplayer wasn't making much of an effort anyway.

So BB and Jamie both pointed this out on their posts a little before this one, and here again, although flash isn't necessarily agreeing with them, they are all in agreement that it is very suspicious to have the sudden change in the tide to vote theDip.

Teacher's explanation of voting theDip who is a lurker is very weak, as he claims there was 30 minutes left and he wanted to 'break the wagon' while quickly changing reads on peter who he has been pushing for a long time.

##VOTE Teacher2

Is your suspicion of teacher because he switched from peter to thedipplayer based on the assumption that peter is scum? If so, why not lynch peter first to make sure he is scum?

because
1) even teacher town read peter
2) while pursuing peter lynch, you randomly suggested thedip, and teacher immediately followed through
3) your reason for not voting teacher is super weak and you continue to defend him even though you don't have a solid reason

[peterlund]

If he is scum isn't he trying too hard though...especially on a day 2? Since he has been pushing your lynching so hard with such certainty if he is wrong he lines himself up for a lynching day 3.

He could always claim "I am town and being town you are wrong quite often". So it does not necessarily mean that you are scum because have you pushed someone wrongly.

The more telling things are the small scum slips people do our of character, if anyone spots them. These are the type of things that are more telling.

He was vote number 5 on me on D2. He saw the chance to get back on me and not leading the vote. So this opens up for him to play the role of confused town.

[bozotheclown]

teacher seems town to me, and even though he might be very capable of looking like town as scum, I do not think he should be lynched now.

Is it because he is your scum buddy?

If teacher flips scum, you are being voted next

If teacher was my scum teammate, I would not be that obvious.

[Jamiet99uk]

Damn, the brainbomb wagon vanished completely eh?

Why, are you interested in voting for it?

[Jamiet99uk]

@Flash:

You yourself admitted your vote on Vecna was a weak placeholder vote.

Why is your vote still there?

Why are you fearful of casting a meaningful vote?

[bozotheclown]

So BB and Jamie both pointed this out on their posts a little before this one, and here again, although flash isn't necessarily agreeing with them, they are all in agreement that it is very suspicious to have the sudden change in the tide to vote theDip.

Teacher's explanation of voting theDip who is a lurker is very weak, as he claims there was 30 minutes left and he wanted to 'break the wagon' while quickly changing reads on peter who he has been pushing for a long time.

##VOTE Teacher2

Is your suspicion of teacher because he switched from peter to thedipplayer based on the assumption that peter is scum? If so, why not lynch peter first to make sure he is scum?

because
1) even teacher town read peter
2) while pursuing peter lynch, you randomly suggested thedip, and teacher immediately followed through
3) your reason for not voting teacher is super weak and you continue to defend him even though you don't have a solid reason

I am still not sure I understand if you think peter is scum.

[DoubtingThomas]

teacher seems town to me, and even though he might be very capable of looking like town as scum, I do not think he should be lynched now.

Is it because he is your scum buddy?

If teacher flips scum, you are being voted next

If teacher was my scum teammate, I would not be that obvious.

If he was not your scum teammate, and you have no ground for him not to be scum, why don't you vote teacher? and i will maybe start to believe you

[DoubtingThomas]

Is your suspicion of teacher because he switched from peter to thedipplayer based on the assumption that peter is scum? If so, why not lynch peter first to make sure he is scum?

because
1) even teacher town read peter
2) while pursuing peter lynch, you randomly suggested thedip, and teacher immediately followed through
3) your reason for not voting teacher is super weak and you continue to defend him even though you don't have a solid reason

I am still not sure I understand if you think peter is scum.

I mean

teacher town read peter himself

so it doesn't really make sense

for me to vote peter first

[DoubtingThomas]

i think teacher is a strong scum

and i dont think both teacher and peter will be scum

peter looks like a town read for me, as he doesn't seem to be afraid of dying,

but teacher certainly is

[Squigs44]

Probably my last post before EOD. I have an appointment that will probably end right around EOD. Still like my vote on worcej, although I would prefer teacher over Peter at this point.

[Jamiet99uk]

DoubtingThomas is really pitching hard to save Peter.

[brainbomb]

Damn, the brainbomb wagon vanished completely eh?

start it back up then

[bozotheclown]

i think teacher is a strong scum

and i dont think both teacher and peter will be scum

peter looks like a town read for me, as he doesn't seem to be afraid of dying,

but teacher certainly is

I am just trying to understand your reason for suspecting teacher, I thought you were saying you found him suspicious because he switched his vote from peter to thedipplayer to protect a scum peter. If you think peter is town, why is it suspicious for teacher to switch his vote?

[Foxcastle]

DoubtingThomas is really pitching hard to save Peter.

I don't quite see it that way. Some effort to save Peter, yeah, but I also think he's putting his back into a case on Teacher that isn't just drummed up to save Peter.

[peterlund]

DoubtingThomas is really pitching hard to save Peter.

Well DT started D2 voting me. What does this tell you Jamie?

[bozotheclown]

because
1) even teacher town read peter
2) while pursuing peter lynch, you randomly suggested thedip, and teacher immediately followed through
3) your reason for not voting teacher is super weak and you continue to defend him even though you don't have a solid reason

I am still not sure I understand if you think peter is scum.

I mean

teacher town read peter himself

so it doesn't really make sense

for me to vote peter first

If you think teacher is scum, why do you give any value to his town read of peter?