M68: Guns N' Roses GAMETHREAD [hidden]

[President Eden]

So nice. as soon as anyones willing to flip rivera or damo today we can really take the initiative here

Which one do you feel like needs more heat on them here?

[rdrivera2005]

rivera advocated for johnny being shot because its bad for lilo

problem is 3 games ago rivera was against killing ifischl who was mostly town but could flip a person on death.

how are these comparable?

rivera is against policy kills on town. PERIOD

This is so untrue, I am starting to suspect you. I suggested policy kills more then once, on Sarah for example and other useless town.

[President Eden]

Actually never mind, I'm just gonna pick one.

##VOTE damo666

Come out and play.

@worcej - I seem to have missed that you were on vacation. I know the bot was down for a bit which didn't help. What are your thoughts on these people:

ghug
bb
Chaqa
damo
rivera

[President Eden]

rivera advocated for johnny being shot because its bad for lilo

problem is 3 games ago rivera was against killing ifischl who was mostly town but could flip a person on death.

how are these comparable?

rivera is against policy kills on town. PERIOD

This is so untrue, I am starting to suspect you.

double plus never mind

##VOTE rdrivera2005

[ghug]

rivera advocated for johnny being shot because its bad for lilo

problem is 3 games ago rivera was against killing ifischl who was mostly town but could flip a person on death.

how are these comparable?

rivera is against policy kills on town. PERIOD

This is so untrue, I am starting to suspect you. I suggested policy kills more then once, on Sarah for example and other useless town.

Plus, you were scum in that game. If only Jamie had listened to me at KILO instead of insisting on killing Maniac...

[ghug]

rivera advocated for johnny being shot because its bad for lilo

problem is 3 games ago rivera was against killing ifischl who was mostly town but could flip a person on death.

how are these comparable?

rivera is against policy kills on town. PERIOD

This is so untrue, I am starting to suspect you.

double plus never mind

##VOTE rdrivera2005

You're buying brain's argument?

[rdrivera2005]

This is so untrue, I am starting to suspect you.

double plus never mind

##VOTE rdrivera2005

You're buying brain's argument?

I really don´t understand what PE is doing here. This Brain things is so bizarre that look like he is trying to hijack the thread and then PE decide to take it seriously.

[ghug]

double plus never mind

##VOTE rdrivera2005

You're buying brain's argument?

I really don´t understand what PE is doing here. This Brain things is so bizarre that look like he is trying to hijack the thread and then PE decide to take it seriously.

I'm incredulous that you're reading this as scummy from brain too.

[Johnny Big Horse]

@Johnny do you think if you were scum youd wanna shoot someone?

Brainbomb, I think you are asking me these questions so that you can find some specious premise on which to base your logic.

But I don't care.

Yes, I would wanna shoot someone.

But even better is to win, and you do that by fooling people. I am shocked actually, that mafiosos have not in the past engineered a fake hit on one of their own. We do that in Avalon all the time. Round 1 is when you do that sort of thing.

[rdrivera2005]

You're buying brain's argument?

I really don´t understand what PE is doing here. This Brain things is so bizarre that look like he is trying to hijack the thread and then PE decide to take it seriously.

I'm incredulous that you're reading this as scummy from brain too.

I don´t know. I had a pretty solid townread on Brain. But insisting on this and hijacking the thread and also making things up about me isn´t a towny thing, even for Brain.

[snowy801]

I just want to say, regardless of alignment, regardless of right or wrong, that Johnny Big Horse is absolutely based.

[rdrivera2005]

@Johnny do you think if you were scum youd wanna shoot someone?

Brainbomb, I think you are asking me these questions so that you can find some specious premise on which to base your logic.

But I don't care.

Yes, I would wanna shoot someone.

But even better is to win, and you do that by fooling people. I am shocked actually, that mafiosos have not in the past engineered a fake hit on one of their own. We do that in Avalon all the time. Round 1 is when you do that sort of thing.

Usually scum don´t have any way to enginner a fake shot. This is the first time we are playing this setup that allow scum to choose a rose a fake a shot.
I still don´t think it´s a great tactic as you won´t get long with this credit from N1 if you survive the other nights.

[rdrivera2005]

I just want to say, regardless of alignment, regardless of right or wrong, that Johnny Big Horse is absolutely based.

Agree, I regret saying he should be shot. In fact, he was probably right that Chaqa should have shot Brain.

[Chaqa]

I'm regretting not shooting Eden.

[Johnny Big Horse]

##Vote Jamiet

Why? Jamiet was on my suspicious list anyway. And I really think the shooter, chaqa and one of the shot, Jamie, is mafia.

Like I said, I don't try to use "reasoning" on evidence that usually isn't really evidence, like some of you.

Example:
Dictatorships are our enemies
UAE is a dictatorship
therefore UAE is our enemy.

That may seem good reasoning, except, dictatorships are not our enemies. And they are allied with Western nations. Good reasoning based on bad premises is worthless. And this is what you guys are doing.

I am trying instead a statistical approach. I make add checks to people's names when things seem fishy. More checks means more likely. Is this the best way? Who knows? It is a probability approac. But you guys are using reason, and therefore a black and white approach, and where does it get you? You all have different conclusions. Makes me think your reason approach is worthless.

I am sure I pissed you all off, but I am right. This game should be played statistically, not based on reasoning.

You have reasons too. Whatever's the basis of your checkmarks.

I'd advise at least also keeping count of things that strike you as townie, because you're otherwise going to be biased towards active players.

Good point. But I gave check marks to all those who don't post a lot too. And I gave check marks to those who post way too much.

I am not suggesting people do what I do. You have your own games, your own styles, and you are experts, and I am the novice. But theoretically, if we all did it like me, all of our biases might cancel out some, and townies would be able to mostly make good choices for who to day kill.

[brainbomb]

Im voting for damo for about 26 reasons

if youd like me to not list any of those reasons id be happy to just park my vote on him and say nothing else. and stop hijacking the process

[Johnny Big Horse]

At least two shots occurred.
Jamie was shot
Snowy was shot

Jamie was shot by chaqa
Snowy was shot by factional

there was not a third shot.

TLDR
mafia did not take N1 guns and used a factional kill on snowy
Thus mafia has stashed guns for n2 or n3
Thus mafia believes they are good enough players to survive beyond N1

Mafia would self kill if they think that they can cause 3 deaths N2 or N3 and force a possible auto win.
Massclaiming roses and guns tells scum who is kill eligible
Damo wanted a mass claim
Snowy was shot by factional

Snowy is probably faking and was self shot by factional and there wont be time to elim him if its N3 and mafia autowins with 3 kills in one night.

There is not way scum can win N3 if Snowy had a rose. If we miskill today and tomorrow and N2 mafia kill works, we will be at 7-3 and even with 3 kills it isn´t autowin.
I don´t see why scum would choose such a risky path instead of just playing a regular game and use guns and NKs to get to milo with more then one alive. Snowy isn´t a usual miskill at first days, so why choose a rose to clear himself?

Again, You probably arent factoring that scum thought town might have 2 guns or even 1. You dont know from their shoes in that moment if they thought using factional might be more wisely spent on partial self clearing and hope the town guns down other town and then gets elims from town looking sus in killing a guy like jamie or perhaps if ghug is town and they thought ghug was blasting eden.

do the math again from if town has 2 guns and miskills 2 n1

BB, Very good reasoning.

[brainbomb]

i suspect your hard defenses of damo are because you desperately need your scum buddy to be alive.

i might be wrong
its definetely not a reason to claim im misrepping you. you did in fact say johnny was a good kill and that was pretty inconsistent with positions youve taken before. usually you dont base your reads on rallying calls to blast newbs on n1

[snowy801]

i suspect your hard defenses of damo are because you desperately need your scum buddy to be alive.

i might be wrong
its definetely not a reason to claim im misrepping you. you did in fact say johnny was a good kill and that was pretty inconsistent with positions youve taken before. usually you dont base your reads on rallying calls to blast newbs on n1

Sorry, just to be clear this is in response to rdrivera right?

[brainbomb]

Ill stop derailing this high quality game with my wacked out theories
its absolutely one flew over the cuckoos nest to read damos ISO and do anything other than finger ones own ass in excitement at how towny he is.