MAFIA XXXVII: THE WHEEL OF WEB-TIME

[teacher2]

I would assume he was trying to find a fellow scum as it's the best way to avoid a NK later on the game.

???

How does finding a scum help traitor avoid an NK?

In this case the scum visited didn't get a message telling who visited him?

From the rules: "anyone visited by the Traitor will receive a message, via GM, “Someone visited you in the night, but nothing happened.”

[worcej]

1. I was not told WHO visited me. I was told I was visited and nothing happened, as described in the rules. The only reason I knew it was Dr was because of the flip.

Wouldn't that message also generate for you if the Dr visited you and you were a target? I didn't see if that would be the specific message, but it does say:

1. *Anyone* who is killed at step *1* or step *3* is considered dead during their portion of adjudication. If they are healed at step *5* then their action is skipped and refunded (if they had one). The Doctor or JOAT who made the heal will learn via GM Message, “You have healed -name- successfully”, but the player attacked will not learn they were attacked or healed as it is considered a surprise and massive injury that they -blacked out and forgot what immediately preceded it-. The player who made the attack will receive a message, “The player you targeted survived the attack.” and they will lose their ability if it is a 1x shot via JOAT. If a person who visited the Veteran is healed then the Doctor will receive the above message and the Veteran will receive, via GM, “Someone who visited you survived your alert.” This only applies if the Veteran is on alert. If the Veteran is not on alert then they are treated as a vanilla townie for all intents and purposes.

Remember, 3 kills were technically possible if the JOAT tried to execute it on N1, so is this possible?

[teacher2]

@Worcej - not possible. Player who is attacked then healed blacks out, and does not get any information. (So unlike our last game, we cannot claim docsave).

[worcej]

@Worcej - You have Peter as your most solid scumread, you said you jumped out of him into thedipplayer to avoid a tie, but why you want to avoid a tie with half an hour to EOD?

Because I wasn't going to be around for EOD exactly due to being at work (Day ends @ 2:00 PM my time) and by making sure it wasn't tied, it would be less easier for someone to try to tie it at the end (which would be a dumb move by them, but still possible).

[rdrivera2005]

I would assume he was trying to find a fellow scum as it's the best way to avoid a NK later on the game.

???

How does finding a scum help traitor avoid an NK?

In this case the scum visited didn't get a message telling who visited him?

Seems I misread the setup, so scum didn't know who the traitor is in any circumstance. So, why visit? You risk to be tracked to little gain.

[worcej]

@Worcej - not possible. Player who is attacked then healed blacks out, and does not get any information. (So unlike our last game, we cannot claim docsave).

I wasn't entirely sure if it was nothing or the message you apparently received, though no one can counter claim at this point.

[teacher2]

@Worcej - not possible. Player who is attacked then healed blacks out, and does not get any information. (So unlike our last game, we cannot claim docsave).

Actually possible. I could have been attacked, healed, and visited by DrCJG, but thats quite unlikely.

[teacher2]

???

How does finding a scum help traitor avoid an NK?

In this case the scum visited didn't get a message telling who visited him?

Seems I misread the setup, so scum didn't know who the traitor is in any circumstance. So, why visit? You risk to be tracked to little gain.

For the "nonsensical" cop power. You get to know alignment of players, and thus whether they need to die for you to win, or whether you should help their cases.

[Squigs44]

Just FYI, I'm at work until EOD. I'm on call so will try to follow as much as I can, but might be out. As far as voting goes right now I would like to see one of worcej, Yav, or vecna lynched, in that order preferencially.

[teacher2]

Peter is town also

Why?

[worcej]

@Worcej - not possible. Player who is attacked then healed blacks out, and does not get any information. (So unlike our last game, we cannot claim docsave).

Actually possible. I could have been attacked, healed, and visited by DrCJG, but thats quite unlikely.

I agree unlikely, but do recognize the possibility.

So I am going to move my joke vote off of Jamie now. ##Vote Peterlund

Reasons for vote:

• Still my solid scum read from D1 - Look back for my reasons why
• I strongly feel like Brain is town, regardless of the trolling he provided. If he isn't town, I know more than likely I will be excoriated for this claim but so be it down the road.
• Looking at peter's posts so far, none of them have been responsive to any real questions and they seem to be deflective. D1 was anti-teacher/Vecna due to their initial reads. Then D2 was meh: First was the random Damo comment, second was the Vecna 'gosh he tunnels me', and finally claimed he would provide a read list near EoD2.

[BismarckAlive]

Order of Adjudication
*1* -Veteran-
The Veteran goes on alert
*2* -Roleblocker/Tracker-
The Roleblocker and Tracker achieve Night results simultaneously.
*3* -Traitor Visits-
The Traitor may visit any player in the game.
*4* -JOAT Kill, Ninja Kill, Serial Killer Kill-
JOAT Kill, Ninja, and Serial Killer all perform their actions simultaneously.
*5* -Doctor/JOAT Heal
Doctor and JOAT may heal a player. These actions occur simultaneously.
*6* -Janitor
Janitor may visit a player once per-game. They will clean up a mafia-murder.

Jamiet99uk,

The order of actions above is clear: Traitor visits first, then the kill happens, then the Doctor/JOAT heal.

##GM Call,

If the above sequence occurs to a player, does the player "remember" the step 3 visit by the Traitor, but not the step 4 kill /step 5 heal? Or does the player "forget" everything?

[DoubtingThomas]

[*]I strongly feel like Brain is town, regardless of the trolling he provided. If he isn't town, I know more than likely I will be excoriated for this claim but so be it down the road.

Why is Brain a strong town read to you?

[*]Looking at peter's posts so far, none of them have been responsive to any real questions and they seem to be deflective. D1 was anti-teacher/Vecna due to their initial reads. Then D2 was meh: First was the random Damo comment, second was the Vecna 'gosh he tunnels me', and finally claimed he would provide a read list near EoD2.[/list]

My posts have been worse than responsive, but why is peter a scum and why am i being ignored??

am i secretly night killed and ?? seems like everyone is not just ignoring my posts but my existence

[teacher2]

...snip....

Too much mechanics. Im guilty of it too. I think we are focusing too much on hard information that doesnt really advance the game, instead of motivations that might.

Can you make a read on Worcej (either way) independent of the DrCJG wifom?

[worcej]

Why is Brain a strong town read to you?

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My posts have been worse than responsive, but why is peter a scum and why am i being ignored??

am i secretly night killed and ?? seems like everyone is not just ignoring my posts but my existence

1. Because his tone has shifted tremendously and the quality of his posts are better and worth reading. I believe I am also not the only person beginning to shift away from Brain.
2. I don't think your entirely being ignored, but I already 'hitched my wagon' onto an inactive player and was wrong when thedip was killed. I think it's better to look into other's actions, especially experienced players, now instead of the lack of actions from someone who has claimed to be intentionally lurking.

[DoubtingThomas]

Why is Brain a strong town read to you?

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My posts have been worse than responsive, but why is peter a scum and why am i being ignored??

am i secretly night killed and ?? seems like everyone is not just ignoring my posts but my existence

1. Because his tone has shifted tremendously and the quality of his posts are better and worth reading. I believe I am also not the only person beginning to shift away from Brain.
2. I don't think your entirely being ignored, but I already 'hitched my wagon' onto an inactive player and was wrong when thedip was killed. I think it's better to look into other's actions, especially experienced players, now instead of the lack of actions from someone who has claimed to be intentionally lurking.

I don't really see too much difference in Peter and my posts except:

1) He's more experienced
2) His quality of post is superior
3) He's more active, although I plan on being more active, as I am back from vacation

so I still don't quite get your peter scum read

[Vecna]

[*]I strongly feel like Brain is town, regardless of the trolling he provided. If he isn't town, I know more than likely I will be excoriated for this claim but so be it down the road.

Why is Brain a strong town read to you?

[*]Looking at peter's posts so far, none of them have been responsive to any real questions and they seem to be deflective. D1 was anti-teacher/Vecna due to their initial reads. Then D2 was meh: First was the random Damo comment, second was the Vecna 'gosh he tunnels me', and finally claimed he would provide a read list near EoD2.[/list]

My posts have been worse than responsive, but why is peter a scum and why am i being ignored??

am i secretly night killed and ?? seems like everyone is not just ignoring my posts but my existence

You are now a townread

[teacher2]

seems like everyone is not just ignoring my posts but my existence

This is actually a fair point. I think since your newb and on vacation, people may have been cutting slack. And to be quite frank, you dont have much thread presence. You have six posts today, that I will paraphrase.

1. I'll catch up.
2. Brain should be lynched, and we should look at Teacher (but no analysis)
3. Question to Brain on scumread of you
4. Response to Squigs' read of you, and now you townread Brain,
5. Question to Brain on his scumread of you
6. Question to Worcej on his Brain read and Peter read.

None of these posts really get involved in interplay or advance the discussion.
Indeed, only post 4 has real substance. And that is mostly town!casing yourself, which anybody can do. I liked your novel/different reads on Jamie and Brain. And to be honest, I overlooked your comment/qestion on me:

"teacher2’s aggressive attack on bb doesnt make real sense to me"

I find this interesting. I dont think I ever made an aggressive attack. I find Brain truly impossible to sort. Certainly D1 I was fighting against his lynch. EoN, I listed the reasons I found his play scummy but asked him to explain them. Today, I voted him but argued against the hammering and tried to sort him better by talking direct. Where do you think I was aggressive?

[DoubtingThomas]

seems like everyone is not just ignoring my posts but my existence

This is actually a fair point. I think since your newb and on vacation, people may have been cutting slack. And to be quite frank, you dont have much thread presence.

Yeah, I know. wasn't really blaming anyone for ignoring me, as I was the one who was away and had difficulty being involved, more like screaming "I am here now, talk to me"

Be prepared to see more of me starting now.

"teacher2’s aggressive attack on bb doesnt make real sense to me"

I find this interesting. I dont think I ever made an aggressive attack. I find Brain truly impossible to sort. Certainly D1 I was fighting against his lynch. EoN, I listed the reasons I found his play scummy but asked him to explain them. Today, I voted him but argued against the hammering and tried to sort him better by talking direct. Where do you think I was aggressive?

I am currently RE-READING what has been going on starting from page. and reading what I have posted surely is weak, as I have been really busy and have mainly posted to meet the post limit... lol. I apologize for the lack of effort, but I can guarantee that it will not happen again.

I gotta say, now that I read what happened in D1, Jamie-BB clash seems highly manipulated/awkward. I had the impression that BB was mostly playing with Jamie and that could mean two things

1) BB is town and was just trolling around to stir action
>Sounds reasonable and possible, especially because I am getting that this is something BB does often and is notorious for
2) BB is scum and is trying to signal traitor

What I find weird is this post by Jamie

Fine. Okay. Just to summarise:

1. I noticed what I suspected might possibly be a scumslip from Brainbomb in slipping in a description of himself as a "werewolf" in one of his long roleplay-style early posts.

2. Brainbomb asserted I was wrong and made several posts attacking my character, my intelligence, and my playing style.

3. I challenged Brainbomb to stop throwing abuse at me and actually explain why I was wrong and what his "werewolf" reference actually means.

4. Brainbomb refused to do that, and claimed he didn't have enough time, listing various other things he was busy doing.

5. I pointed out how Brain clearly has plenty of time to make other posts, and is ducking my question.

6. I also express reservations about Brain's self vote.

7. Brain consistently refuses to address my main question, and then makes up an entirely fictitious situation in which I had allegedly made a post about why he was voting for Worcej. This was fiction. I had made no such comments.

8. Brain now claims he is Mafia and concedes.

This is in page 10, and if you go and look, he is summarizing the ruckus (after hours since anyone has posted anything except BB saying some dumb post like, "gg I concede"), as if he wants to make sure everyone understands and knows that they are fighting and why he hates BB. Both of which doesn't really make sense for a townie to do.

At first, i thought maybe they were talking to each other on mafia chat and decided that they will create a scene to create a confusion, but if my understanding is correct, it seems like mafia QT is only up at night, so they probably didn't have the time to do so?

I started to feel a little bit of scum and town reads here and there, but this point struck me the hardest, and I still have no idea what BB is, but I think Jamie is a STRONG scum read, on top of the fact that he was the only one trying really hard to communicate with me (and believe me, I can't believe I was NOT lynched with the low and pathetic effort of posts I made in D1), as if he wanted to befriend me because perhaps he KNEW I was town?

still got a lot more to read and comprehend, so you might see more of my read, but this is what I have observed early in the thread

[DoubtingThomas]

oh, and when I get back to where I said that, @teacher,

I will try to point to what I thought was aggressive. I very quickly skimmed, so it might not be anything, but I will get back to you