MAFIA XXXVII: THE WHEEL OF WEB-TIME

[peterlund]

That vecna guy tunnels me every game and he rarely develops his reads while the game progresses. Why? Is it perhaps due to something I have said in other parts of thw forum? Or as I suspects that he does not read what other people says in this game. Does he not need to? Or is Vecna just lazy?

[brainbomb]

That vecna guy tunnels me every game and he rarely develops his reads while the game progresses. Why? Is it perhaps due to something I have said in other parts of thw forum? Or as I suspects that he does not read what other people says in this game. Does he not need to? Or is Vecna just lazy?

And now...
Deep thoughts

By Peterlund

[brainbomb]

I know worcej is town, his push on drcjgc is never a bus. People just dont do that sort of thing.

[brainbomb]

Town
Vecna
Peterlund
Worcej
Foxcastle
Squiggs (I read his old games and found it interesting)

Null
Bismark
Flash

Scum
Thomas
Jamie
Yavuz
Rdrivera? (Hes very forgettable so far)
Teacher

[ND]

##GM NOTE
@Jamie: All role PM's are listed in the game-start post. That is what was sent to all players.

[brainbomb]

Still commuting/family time until 830 ish and really shouldn’t have signed up, but I got a sweet pm from ##vote drcjg. Hoping third times the charm.

I just remembered scum dudnt know he was traitor.

But I still think worcej is higher likely to be town. His reads were fine.

Teacher joined drcjc third.
Raging ike first.

If worcej is town, teacher is rule of three culprit

[brainbomb]

As much as I enjoy living and reading my own posts.

I kinda do think my death helps town. Theres definetely some town who think im scum. Unless the whole wolfteam is just really stupid tryhards

[brainbomb]

Teacher and yavuz are scum together in most scenarios and worlds.

D1 teacher joins yav wagon right as peter wagon is dissolving and dip wagon blooms. Safe place to bus as scum, yavuz wasnt on most radars.

N1 yavuz says if I die lynch teacher.
Enters the day with no explanation why, and isnt voting teacher. Why is his own death the only reason he would scumread teacher?

Why does Jamie find my read on teacher 'interesting'?

And finally, how do teacher and yav go from appearing to scumreading each other to both suddenly scumreading me - and totally ignoring each other.
Thats hella confusing mane

[brainbomb]

@Peterlund
I dont care about this game because none of you are interesting. You play the same ways every game and all of you throw easy town wins away by tunneling.

It doesnt matter how I play, ir what I do, you dont have the patience or imagination to indulge in the brainbomb show.

Just sheep my reads and go drink a glass of scotch. Youll feel much better old chap

[teacher2]

1. Im online and planning to do a fairly long reactions post from post 655 on.

2. But while Im on and building that, I'll play with the bomb.

D1 teacher joins yav wagon right as peter wagon is dissolving and dip wagon blooms. Safe place to bus as scum, yavuz wasnt on most radars.

Nope. Never on Yav. Refused to get on. Next?

And finally, how do teacher and yav go from appearing to scumreading each other to both suddenly scumreading me - and totally ignoring each other.
Thats hella confusing mane

Nope. I was townreading Yav most of D1 and moved to scumreading him when I ISOd overnight. He scumreads me consistently. In no world have we ignored each other - my last substantive post outside of my reads was directed at him. And my reads scummed him in one of the longer grafs.
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Brain, part of why Im voting you is that I genuinely cannot sort you at all. I thought I read your emotions/motivations, but now I am lost. You have done a variety of moves that common wisdom sayz is scummy - self-voting, gambiting, etc. If you want to tell me the motivation/logic behind your SK play, Im listening. But if you dont - whether because there is none or your want to keep the gambit wrapped - Im staying.

[brainbomb]

1. Im online and planning to do a fairly long reactions post from post 655 on.

2. But while Im on and building that, I'll play with the bomb.

D1 teacher joins yav wagon right as peter wagon is dissolving and dip wagon blooms. Safe place to bus as scum, yavuz wasnt on most radars.

Nope. Never on Yav. Refused to get on. Next?

And finally, how do teacher and yav go from appearing to scumreading each other to both suddenly scumreading me - and totally ignoring each other.
Thats hella confusing mane

Nope. I was townreading Yav most of D1 and moved to scumreading him when I ISOd overnight. He scumreads me consistently. In no world have we ignored each other - my last substantive post outside of my reads was directed at him. And my reads scummed him in one of the longer grafs.
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Brain, part of why Im voting you is that I genuinely cannot sort you at all. I thought I read your emotions/motivations, but now I am lost. You have done a variety of moves that common wisdom sayz is scummy - self-voting, gambiting, etc. If you want to tell me the motivation/logic behind your SK play, Im listening. But if you dont - whether because there is none or your want to keep the gambit wrapped - Im staying.

Mmk, guess youll be death tunneling me today and blame me when you didnt try later

[brainbomb]

My strength has never been proving im town. My strength is narrowing down and isolating multiple scum. So even when I do die, the games better than when I was alive.

Scumteams abhor killing me because I am destructive.

You have to destroy things in order for scum to have bad things to be stuck on.

Self destruction included.

[teacher2]

So, like Jamie, you'll not be answering my questions. fair enough. At least allows me to draft without refreshing.

[brainbomb]

So, like Jamie, you'll not be answering my questions. fair enough. At least allows me to draft without refreshing.

Im answering you right now?

[teacher2]

So, like Jamie, you'll not be answering my questions. fair enough. At least allows me to draft without refreshing.

Im answering you right now?

What is the motivation/logic behind the SK gambit, and then doubling down when Ive announced a policy liar vote? Are you that absolutely convinced Im scum? (like your hardest townread on Dr?)

[brainbomb]

Show me a singke question by flash, jamie or yavu levied at me that advances the game.

Theyve asked me level 0 interrogations, and relied mostly on appeals to players who dislike emotional playstyles.

Were not even saying my reads are scummy. In fact as far as I can tell theyve refused to talk about my reads as being anything other than "covering for my teammates"

Id like to point out the precedent that settlement creates. Lets be real, thats settling. To take every post made by your top scumread and assume its all pure obfuscation. Thats a weak cop out excuse to scumread people.

Notice the sophistication that my read envelops?

The only reason it doesnt resonate is because im widely scumread and my posts are seen as noisy anti spew.

[teacher2]

If that is an answer, I dont understand it and look forward to speaking with you post game to try better.

I do believe you are a good player. So I try to find potential traps, and thought the werewolf poem could have been one.

But at a certain point, your deliberate lack of charisma gets to be anti-town regardless of alignment.

[brainbomb]

So, like Jamie, you'll not be answering my questions. fair enough. At least allows me to draft without refreshing.

Im answering you right now?

What is the motivation/logic behind the SK gambit, and then doubling down when Ive announced a policy liar vote? Are you that absolutely convinced Im scum? (like your hardest townread on Dr?)

Issue #1
Regardless of how I read DR. My read was always honest even if I was scum traitor wasnt know to scum so acvusing me of misreading him intentionally is misrepresenting the facts.

Issue #2
No one could know he was scum. The fact you claim he visited you is probably bold to do as scum. Let me ponder that though.

Issue #3
Me reading you and me reading Dr arent mutually linked. I fail to see the comparison unless yer just knocking me for reading him wrong. I found him becoming a 3 wagon so fast over gamblers fallacy to be pretty fucking random. And that statement didnt come from mindset of why tf is my scum buddy being wagoned. How could it? I dont even know him ive never been in any game with him.

Issue #4
Sk gambit
Id like the sk to shoot scum. Id like to see if sk likes my scumreads. Id like to use him against scum and have a ton of fun pissing scum off by directing shots. I dont care if I die. This game is absurd so far. Im.glad were winning. Also nobody buys me as sk now which is great if I really am.

Issue #5
Its day 2 and people are hammering and tunneling. Theres 15 ppl alive. Multiple scum. How does hammering me improve towns odds? How does policy lynching liars make the game fun and creative? Good people lie.

If you lie
Lie about your money
If you cheat
Cheat the system
If you steal
Steal someones heart

[brainbomb]

If that is an answer, I dont understand it and look forward to speaking with you post game to try better.

I do believe you are a good player. So I try to find potential traps, and thought the werewolf poem could have been one.

But at a certain point, your deliberate lack of charisma gets to be anti-town regardless of alignment.

Scum want to be liked, adored, loved, and on a very very important level 'trusted'. They want to be trusted enough to get 3 or 4 free mislynches with their name on it.

[teacher2]

....snipping quotes between quotes.......
Issue #1
Regardless of how I read DR. My read was always honest even if I was scum traitor wasnt know to scum so acvusing me of misreading him intentionally is misrepresenting the facts.

I was NOT accusing you of misreading him intentionally. I was saying your reads can be wrong. (I had interpreted -- apparently wrongly -- your answer to be "I wont say because youre scum", which is why I was making that point.) I think you and I just have communication problems because I dont get you.

Issue #2
No one could know he was scum. The fact you claim he visited you is probably bold to do as scum. Let me ponder that though.

Partial answer-Its mostly NAI, more playstyle. Question for you -- There's a jargon term along the lines of RSKing *but I dont think thats it, meaning to claim a role or an action for the express purpose of denying scum counterclaims; is that what you're doing with the roleblock?

Issue #3
Me reading you and me reading Dr arent mutually linked. I fail to see the comparison unless yer just knocking me for reading him wrong. I found him becoming a 3 wagon so fast over gamblers fallacy to be pretty fucking random. And that statement didnt come from mindset of why tf is my scum buddy being wagoned. How could it? I dont even know him ive never been in any game with him.

Again, my only point was your reads could be wrong, because I missed the thrust of your previous post. As for the Doctor wagon, it was pure RVS/Joke - same reason I voted him in the newb game. Bastard killed me twice in my two previous games on site (plus I like him).

Issue #4
Sk gambit
Id like the sk to shoot scum. Id like to see if sk likes my scumreads. Id like to use him against scum and have a ton of fun pissing scum off by directing shots. I dont care if I die. This game is absurd so far. Im.glad were winning. Also nobody buys me as sk now which is great if I really am.

Ah, so by claiming SK you were trying to direct the shot? And you are now admitting you arent SK? (No real need to confirm, just putting it in my own terms),

Issue #5
Its day 2 and people are hammering and tunneling. Theres 15 ppl alive. Multiple scum. How does hammering me improve towns odds? How does policy lynching liars make the game fun and creative? Good people lie.

Eh, I dont think your lies have helped town. Id love to see a site meta here of lynch all liars. But I dont know enough yet to be hammering.