MAFIA 66: The Battle for Olympus - Game Thread [hidden]

[damo666]

Since y'all have decided that I'm the Daykill (it's the wrong choice imo), can someone who's voting me (preferably more than on) please tell me why I'm being scumread. And do it with out saying I'm lurking (I've been much more engaged than my historical town or scum games), or just refferencing reasons in another post that eventually roll out to when I was absent. For bonus points, do it without saying I'm "generally scummy". That's something I would do, and I'm known to be bad at this game.

I want to understand, and I want you to understand what you're doing. And if you do it well, then I guess we all go down together.

The "imo" is curious. You know your alignment, why say imo?
Why not just say "it's the wrong choice"? Adding from mpov makes sense but imo is downright odd and for me points to your scumminess.

For me a major reason I think you are scum is your bizarre voting record. It is very untownlike. I suppose maverick is a possibilty but I'd rather bet on you being scum.

[foodcoats]

I spammed a bit before but I'm reposting this as I think it's crucial Chaqa address this apparent inconsistency of his townread of bona.

Chaqa, what do you think of bona's scumread of kgray and I?

You OR chaqa.

Bona's Imposter tells are that he gets really really stubbornly stuck on one person who shouldn't warrant much suspicion. I admit it's similar to what he's done here with Darg, but I don't think it's the same because that Imposter mentality is usually in respond to accusations, not a proactive push as he was doing here.

It's subtle, and I might be blind to it based on his compelling VCA towniness, but I don't think he's scum here.

Town
me
jamie
yavu
chaqa
rdr
macca
kgray
celaph
food
damo
Scum

[rdrivera2005]

If you are town, I think we should flip Bona or yavu, who seems to be the other "high on the list."

Flipping one of these two gives us insight into the scum game. Macca did not play for like 6 phases. We are going to have shit all to go on.

I think Macca will be a DK at some point if the game isn't over. But I think the way everyone just jumped ship is weird. And we can get a solid towncore if Bona flip scum. Or we lose now and avoid one more week of pain

##vote Bona

[Chaqa]

Chaqa, what do you think of bona's scumread of kgray and I?

You OR chaqa.

Bona's Imposter tells are that he gets really really stubbornly stuck on one person who shouldn't warrant much suspicion. I admit it's similar to what he's done here with Darg, but I don't think it's the same because that Imposter mentality is usually in respond to accusations, not a proactive push as he was doing here.

It's subtle, and I might be blind to it based on his compelling VCA towniness, but I don't think he's scum here.

Town
me
jamie
yavu
chaqa
rdr
macca
kgray
celaph
food
damo
Scum

I'm not sure. I think you're pretty clearly town but Kgray I believe could be a deep threat (as could damo). Bona is pretty good at solving, more so than he's given credit for.

[Chaqa]

I spammed a bit before but I'm reposting this as I think it's crucial Chaqa address this apparent inconsistency of his townread of bona.

Chaqa, what do you think of bona's scumread of kgray and I?

Bona's Imposter tells are that he gets really really stubbornly stuck on one person who shouldn't warrant much suspicion. I admit it's similar to what he's done here with Darg, but I don't think it's the same because that Imposter mentality is usually in respond to accusations, not a proactive push as he was doing here.

It's subtle, and I might be blind to it based on his compelling VCA towniness, but I don't think he's scum here.

Town
me
jamie
yavu
chaqa
rdr
macca
kgray
celaph
food
damo
Scum

Not sure what inconsistency you're speaking of?

[foodcoats]

Since y'all have decided that I'm the Daykill (it's the wrong choice imo), can someone who's voting me (preferably more than on) please tell me why I'm being scumread. And do it with out saying I'm lurking (I've been much more engaged than my historical town or scum games), or just refferencing reasons in another post that eventually roll out to when I was absent. For bonus points, do it without saying I'm "generally scummy". That's something I would do, and I'm known to be bad at this game.

I want to understand, and I want you to understand what you're doing. And if you do it well, then I guess we all go down together.

The "imo" is curious. You know your alignment, why say imo?
Why not just say "it's the wrong choice"? Adding from mpov makes sense but imo is downright odd and for me points to your scumminess.

For me a major reason I think you are scum is your bizarre voting record. It is very untownlike. I suppose maverick is a possibilty but I'd rather bet on you being scum.

What in particular about Macca's voting record bothers you, damo?

[foodcoats]

I spammed a bit before but I'm reposting this as I think it's crucial Chaqa address this apparent inconsistency of his townread of bona.

Chaqa, what do you think of bona's scumread of kgray and I?

Not sure what inconsistency you're speaking of?

Bona has been
1. stubbornly stuck on scumming kgray for kgray's townread of celaph D2.
2. OMGUS scumreading me today - which is actually a scumread that began D1.
3. stubbornly scumming darg until he flipped cop.

In other words, bona has been very tunneled on three players who otherwise have not merited much suspicion. This is exactly what you say bona does as scum.

And yet, you conclude bona is town.

Why do you think these three instances of doing the thing you say is bona's scum tell do you not indicate he is scum this game? Or, what specific thing has bona done, other than voting for DemonRHK, that you think indicates he is town?

[Bonatogether]

The current state of voting is precarious with too easy chance for scum to manipulate a tie.

As I have said I think this is scum v scum so I don't care which we get voted.

If they are both town we have lost so it doesn't matter (I am assuming that it is inevitable one of the 2 get killed). Additionally if it were TvT scum would be gleefully silent with the odd intersection to look blendy. Nobody really fits this description and I ignore the possibility.

If it is TvS then obviously it is essential we kill the right one.

Does any townsperson strongly feel either is town?

I call on all townsfolk to vote as a block.

I call on town Macca voters to either

A switch to Bona
Or
B write an impassioned defence of Bona


We must consolidate. We cannot afford to tie.

This is a dumb reason to say that TvT is not possible. It would be so easy to just be more active to counter this exact reasoning.

[Bonatogether]

His latching on to my 'scumminess' looks like a desperate flailing attempt to get focus away from himself.

But you are scummy today.

My latest series of posts is very town.

Why have you switched to Macca after I called for a move to Bona. You just being awkward? Don't say I'm trying to save Macca please.

##vote Macca for consolidation.

I amend my previous call and now ask Bona voters to either
Switch to Macca or make an impassioned defence of them.

Thank you.

"my latest series of posts is very town"

what townie is so self-aware of his own townieness that he prefaces his vote with it?

[Bonatogether]

I shall break the tie:

##Vote Macca

Do you scumread them or are you just being cheeky for damo?

I already said I think it's entirely likely Macca and Bona are both town.

However Damo's scummy behaviour today, and the fact he seems happy to kill either of them, is worrying me.

How likely do you think it is, percentage wise, if you had to guess?

[Bonatogether]

Do you scumread them or are you just being cheeky for damo?

I already said I think it's entirely likely Macca and Bona are both SCUM.

However Damo's scummy behaviour today, and the fact he seems happy to kill either of them, is worrying me.

EBWOP

[damo666]

The current state of voting is precarious with too easy chance for scum to manipulate a tie.

As I have said I think this is scum v scum so I don't care which we get voted.

If they are both town we have lost so it doesn't matter (I am assuming that it is inevitable one of the 2 get killed). Additionally if it were TvT scum would be gleefully silent with the odd intersection to look blendy. Nobody really fits this description and I ignore the possibility.

If it is TvS then obviously it is essential we kill the right one.

Does any townsperson strongly feel either is town?

I call on all townsfolk to vote as a block.

I call on town Macca voters to either

A switch to Bona
Or
B write an impassioned defence of Bona


We must consolidate. We cannot afford to tie.

This is a dumb reason to say that TvT is not possible. It would be so easy to just be more active to counter this exact reasoning.

Activity post observation wouldn't be counter. You should be more careful over the use of the word 'dumb'.

[Chaqa]

I spammed a bit before but I'm reposting this as I think it's crucial Chaqa address this apparent inconsistency of his townread of bona.

Not sure what inconsistency you're speaking of?

Bona has been
1. stubbornly stuck on scumming kgray for kgray's townread of celaph D2.
2. OMGUS scumreading me today - which is actually a scumread that began D1.
3. stubbornly scumming darg until he flipped cop.

In other words, bona has been very tunneled on three players who otherwise have not merited much suspicion. This is exactly what you say bona does as scum.

And yet, you conclude bona is town.

Why do you think these three instances of doing the thing you say is bona's scum tell do you not indicate he is scum this game? Or, what specific thing has bona done, other than voting for DemonRHK, that you think indicates he is town?

You didn't read my explanation of Bona completely.

He does that as scum when he is accused by them first. A good example from Among Us would be one time, Eden accused Bona for reasons XYZ which were somewhat good, and Bona reacted by throwing all possible sus onto Eden, for shaky reasons, despite it not making much sense.

I've actually found that when Bona makes proactive scumreads that seem a little off, he's either completely wrong (F) or completely right. Hard to say whch of his reads are which yet.

[damo666]

But you are scummy today.

My latest series of posts is very town.

Why have you switched to Macca after I called for a move to Bona. You just being awkward? Don't say I'm trying to save Macca please.

##vote Macca for consolidation.

I amend my previous call and now ask Bona voters to either
Switch to Macca or make an impassioned defence of them.

Thank you.

"my latest series of posts is very town"

what townie is so self-aware of his own townieness that he prefaces his vote with it?

I'm responding to Jamie's assertion.

[Bonatogether]

I've just had another thought on Mechanics.

Maniac said his RB targets were Jamie rdr and Chaqa as they all claimed.

So, none of them were driven that night. This decreases the chance they are town and increases the chance they are Mafia.

Similarly for Jamie the night HB tried to eat him.

Just saying.

I think the same is true of kgray 1 night.

Of these Chaqa is highest chance of being scum imo.

This is an interesting point. I have the same reservations I have had about scum-hunting purely from probabilities, but this adds weight to the curiosities of the RBd trio, and I am hesitant around the fact that we are very possibly missing a deep scum (although I am trying to avoid this, because I think a much simpler answer is that celaph is the deep scum).

I actually think it looks the worst for RDR, because by EOD2, three PRs had been neutralized. The scum may have driven themselves to avoid being RBd; the only other investigative role was the journalist. So on N3 they might've held the Driver.

But, yeah... this is very tinfoily. Not sure I'm at the point where I could vote RDR or Chaqa, even though I am giving them both the Larry David look.

Food I swear to god not all scum act in a clearly scum fashion. The 4 or 5 scummy people is not the scumpool, and you are not just trying to avoid hitting the 5th. There are deep scum here. To assume otherwise is to rule out one of the most obvious scum strategies that scum have been doing in every darn game. You refuse to acknowledge this. When I pointed this out earlier you made an offhand "oh I'll modify my POE" but your behavior hasn't changed. You're still acting as if the game is basically solved when it is not.

[Jamiet99uk]

If Foodcoats is scum I will eat a choux

[Chaqa]

Plus I absolutely believe scum!Bona would not put the deciding vote on scum!RHK in any world That isn't Bona's playstyle or his MO and regardless of any other reads that fact makes me unwilling to vote Bona.

[Bonatogether]

My problem is that this is a policy shimmydingdong more than anything else.
No one today has actually laid out a case on Macca unless I missed it. It’s basically “Macca lurked.”

And acting this way damo is bad for town.

WE WANT

INNNNN

FO-MAYSHUN

Very much agree on the first part about Macca being a semi-auto policy vote. Very much disagree on the second part about voting for info.

I'll phrase this differently.

1. I think bona is manifestly scummier than Macca by a mile
2. I think flipping bona gives us a treasure trove of info, so if both Macca AND bona are scum, I prefer to flip bona

I think flipping Macca is just awful from a strategic perspective. I've been trying to be coy about it to let scum try to do their thing but I think Macca is an easy bus. It is obvious from the votes that the scum are all on Macca (they were yesterday today too, even when bona had 4 votes).

The other point I was trying to make is that, if we are almost guaranteed to flip Macca anyway, it is a suboptimal strategy to flip Macca now, because flipping Macca is so dry of information. If we lose today because we flip town!bona or we lose tomorrow because we flip town!so-and-so, I think it's still better to flip not-Macca today because scum!bona's flip would help us a lot tomorrow, whereas scum!Macca's flip today will give us a much drier set of information for tomorrow.

So I think we can leave Macca until later. I think that is the optimal strategy.

A point I think you're missing (and why you are misunderstanding Chaqa, although that might just be willful) is that I have been considered as scummy every game I have played on this site, without exception. The times I was townread were because I was so scummy people thought scum wouldn't do it. This is my MO as town and as scum. Being scummy is not a reliable indicator of me being scum.

[Bonatogether]

If you are town, I think we should flip Bona or yavu, who seems to be the other "high on the list."

Flipping one of these two gives us insight into the scum game. Macca did not play for like 6 phases. We are going to have shit all to go on.

I am town
I'm mostly sure yavu is town
Idk about Macca.

Those wagons all suck.

[damo666]

Since y'all have decided that I'm the Daykill (it's the wrong choice imo), can someone who's voting me (preferably more than on) please tell me why I'm being scumread. And do it with out saying I'm lurking (I've been much more engaged than my historical town or scum games), or just refferencing reasons in another post that eventually roll out to when I was absent. For bonus points, do it without saying I'm "generally scummy". That's something I would do, and I'm known to be bad at this game.

I want to understand, and I want you to understand what you're doing. And if you do it well, then I guess we all go down together.

The "imo" is curious. You know your alignment, why say imo?
Why not just say "it's the wrong choice"? Adding from mpov makes sense but imo is downright odd and for me points to your scumminess.

For me a major reason I think you are scum is your bizarre voting record. It is very untownlike. I suppose maverick is a possibilty but I'd rather bet on you being scum.

What in particular about Macca's voting record bothers you, damo?

His bizarre D2 vote for darg and his current unhelpful unvote. Not as extensively bad as I thought tbh.