MAFIA 66: The Battle for Olympus - Game Thread [hidden]

[damo666]

Is damo normally this bad? Maybe scum did claim the RB.

Yep we Roleblocked Vecna N1 and agreed that if he should flip PR I would claim RB as the weakest scumteam member to gain towncred. Funnily my teammate was roleblocked by town the same night so we had 2 scum roleblock claims.

Confused you didn't it?

[damo666]

Why are you excluding kgray from possible scum teams?

I'm very confident she would not have bussed at the stage she voted D1

Can you explain what the differences are between "my" hypothetical bus, a hypothetical kgray bus, and a hypothetical Bona bus?

Timing.

[Bonatogether]

Ooh, mustn't forget. I need a vote.

So far, I'm not a big Ghug or Bona fan. Considering Bona already has a vote (and that I don't think anyone agrees with the ghug bit) ##VOTE Bona .

I'm towning kgray and bb, but I do that every game, so take little notice.

Macca, I think you were addressing this above in your conversation with Bona, but I am curious to know, since you obviously have more experience playing with Bona than I do:

What was it that made you vote Bona on D1?

Macca has only played with scum!bona iirc

[damo666]

I'm very confident she would not have bussed at the stage she voted D1

Can you explain what the differences are between "my" hypothetical bus, a hypothetical kgray bus, and a hypothetical Bona bus?

Put celaph in there, too.

What are the qualitative differences?

celaph put Demon 4-3 in the lead, an unlikely scum move

Bona put Demon 5-4 in the lead against 3 non-Mafia with 17 minutes to go, a highly unlkely scum move

Chaqa put Demon 5-3 in the lead, although an unlikely scum move Chaqa does love a bus and his protests about day 1 bussing look suspicious

Food was the first to vote Demon but was his 5th different votee of the day so does look indecisive town.

kgray more or less puts the nail in Demon's coffin with her vote putting him 6-4 in the lead against non-Mafia with 2 minutes to go. An extremely doubtful bus.

Bussing likelihood

Chaqa >> celaph > food >> Bona >>> Kgray

So we either have

No bussers => scum team is Jamie Macca rdr yav [G4]
1 busser => Chaqa + 3 of G4 or just maybe celaph + 3 of G4
2 bussers => Chaqa celaph + I would guess Macca and Yav.

This all points to tomorrow's kill target being either Macca or Yav.

[foodcoats]

I don't like the way Brain is posting but I don't think he is scum.

I do think HB is scum.

##vote Hamilton Brain
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I am also null on Demon and Kaka, not a big fan of Demons reads but it's probably OMGUS. But would probably choose him over Kaka if needed.

This is worrying. I know I also stayed on HB but it seems suspicious when rivera is doing that. And big scumpoints to brain if rivera is scum.

Why is scummy? If I was scum I would have either bussed or just kept my options open. I think doing this show were my reads are and help reading me. I have been doing this in most of my last games

I'm trying to sort through this yav vs RDR thing in N2/forward. I really don't think yav's scumread many any sense, as kgray pointed out at the time. RDR hadn't made any read of kakarroto so could've contrived a way to get onto kak if he was scum, but instead he read kak and demon as null and voted HB - who he had been scumreading.

I think this yav/RDR battle over EOD1 probably has important nuggets for the solution.

[foodcoats]

Is damo normally this bad? Maybe scum did claim the RB.

Yep we Roleblocked Vecna N1 and agreed that if he should flip PR I would claim RB as the weakest scumteam member to gain towncred. Funnily my teammate was roleblocked by town the same night so we had 2 scum roleblock claims.

Confused you didn't it?

I think Jamie is locktown, though.

It's entirely reasonable that Vecna was RBd and you claimed it.

[foodcoats]

Can you explain what the differences are between "my" hypothetical bus, a hypothetical kgray bus, and a hypothetical Bona bus?

Put celaph in there, too.

What are the qualitative differences?

celaph put Demon 4-3 in the lead, an unlikely scum move

Bona put Demon 5-4 in the lead against 3 non-Mafia with 17 minutes to go, a highly unlkely scum move

Chaqa put Demon 5-3 in the lead, although an unlikely scum move Chaqa does love a bus and his protests about day 1 bussing look suspicious

Food was the first to vote Demon but was his 5th different votee of the day so does look indecisive town.

kgray more or less puts the nail in Demon's coffin with her vote putting him 6-4 in the lead against non-Mafia with 2 minutes to go. An extremely doubtful bus.

Bussing likelihood

Chaqa >> celaph > food >> Bona >>> Kgray

So we either have

No bussers => scum team is Jamie Macca rdr yav [G4]
1 busser => Chaqa + 3 of G4 or just maybe celaph + 3 of G4
2 bussers => Chaqa celaph + I would guess Macca and Yav.

This all points to tomorrow's kill target being either Macca or Yav.

Okay, thank you. It seems you've reversed course on thinking I am the most likely busser?

[foodcoats]

Damo seems off with his involvement today. I’d have expected more involvement around the gun, but I see more effort directed at darg.

ahhh, do you think he knew there was no gun? at least in my hands?

If scum RBed Vecna, I think Damo and Maniac (lack of) reactions could be scum knowing there is no gun.

Hmm.

[foodcoats]

Yes. Damo I am pretty sure. Maniac somehow improved a bit, so maybe he is town. But your readlist and an opportunistic vote on me while also buddying Brain so you can jump on Celaph wagon if needed made me have a pretty solid scumread of you.
Flum I really don´t know, he got a pass from bein a sub, but done nothing today. Great candidate to be shot if somehow there is a gun or to be cop scanned.

Why?

Because the way you are playing remembers scum Damo. I can´t identify with anything you say. Your post just seems to make sense when you talk about mechanics and this is a strong scum tell.
You arbitrary created a POE that´s me, Yav and Flum, which doesn´t make any sense (like you want to look like town Damo that makes a lot of assumptions) and you left of the hook a lot of scummy players like Bona or Macca. And then you give a pass to Flum because he is willing to vote me or Yav, which even less sense.

And last of it, OMGUS.

This is from rdr on D2.

At this point I'm very curious to know what other players think of damo.

I know damo is very math-oriented, but I am completely blown away that damo is not reading the game, just the votes.

[foodcoats]

Not long ago I was saying how damo is 50/50 town like, "Let's not even look at damo."

Now I'm like... hmm. Damo is only 50/50 town.

[foodcoats]

Is damo normally this bad? Maybe scum did claim the RB.

Yep we Roleblocked Vecna N1 and agreed that if he should flip PR I would claim RB as the weakest scumteam member to gain towncred. Funnily my teammate was roleblocked by town the same night so we had 2 scum roleblock claims.

Confused you didn't it?

This is such a bizarre reply to my shitting on him. Why does damo assume I scumread Jamie here?

[Chaqa]

If there's bussing, it's kgray or celaph or both.

I don't think Bona or Food could be mafia.

Locktown:
Chaqa
dargorygel
Jamiet99uk

Almost certain town:
Bonatogether
foodcoats

Probably town but possibly bussers:
celaph
kgray

Maybe scum?
damo666
rdrivera2005

Scum:
Macca573
yavuzovic

As you can see, I'm not too sure about the last two. I was really thinking there'd be scum in Maniac, Jamie, Hamilton. As it turns out, that isn't the case.

I'm thinking either scum was bussing RHK (in which case I suspect celaph and kgray, MAYBE food) or scum team is exactly like Macca, yavu, rivera, damo. Damo would have to have claimed a RB that went to Vecna (which seems likely given no items are claimed).

[foodcoats]

Hardly a perfect heuristic but I think chastising town for miskilling is a scumtell.

Bona and yavu D2:

1 minute before EOD:

Worcej wagon is scum motivated

After:

This, Mr. Chaqa, is what happens when you vote for someone you townread

After:

@kgray

I don't wanna say I told you so, but worcej was town.

[Bonatogether]

Hardly a perfect heuristic but I think chastising town for miskilling is a scumtell.

Bona and yavu D2:

1 minute before EOD:

Worcej wagon is scum motivated

After:

This, Mr. Chaqa, is what happens when you vote for someone you townread

After:

@kgray

I don't wanna say I told you so, but worcej was town.

What's your evidence that this is a scumtell?

[foodcoats]

If there's bussing, it's kgray or celaph or both.

I don't think Bona or Food could be mafia.

Locktown:
Chaqa
dargorygel
Jamiet99uk

Almost certain town:
Bonatogether
foodcoats

Probably town but possibly bussers:
celaph
kgray

Maybe scum?
damo666
rdrivera2005

Scum:
Macca573
yavuzovic

As you can see, I'm not too sure about the last two. I was really thinking there'd be scum in Maniac, Jamie, Hamilton. As it turns out, that isn't the case.

I'm thinking either scum was bussing RHK (in which case I suspect celaph and kgray, MAYBE food) or scum team is exactly like Macca, yavu, rivera, damo. Damo would have to have claimed a RB that went to Vecna (which seems likely given no items are claimed).

Another tick against scum!damo claiming RB is that Vecna presumably would've gifted an item to one of his stronger townreads:

1. yavuzovic
2. bonatogether
3. ghug
4. macca573
5. rdrivera2005
6. Celaph
7. Vecna
8. damo666
9. Hamilton Brian
10. belCavendishNY
11. worcej
12. kgray
13. Chaqa
14. Maniac
15. brainbomb
16. Dargorygel
17. Kakarroto
18. foodcoats
19. DemonRHK
20. Jamiet99uk

Feeling decent about this, in different shades of green

It's possible brain died with an item in hand, but I think worcej would've claimed it.

[foodcoats]

Hardly a perfect heuristic but I think chastising town for miskilling is a scumtell.

Bona and yavu D2:

1 minute before EOD:

Worcej wagon is scum motivated

After:

This, Mr. Chaqa, is what happens when you vote for someone you townread

After:

@kgray

I don't wanna say I told you so, but worcej was town.

What's your evidence that this is a scumtell?

I saw you do it in M69420.

[Bonatogether]

Hardly a perfect heuristic but I think chastising town for miskilling is a scumtell.

Bona and yavu D2:

1 minute before EOD:


After:


After:

What's your evidence that this is a scumtell?

I saw you do it in M69420.

Give evidence or your assertion is useless

[damo666]

Put celaph in there, too.

What are the qualitative differences?

celaph put Demon 4-3 in the lead, an unlikely scum move

Bona put Demon 5-4 in the lead against 3 non-Mafia with 17 minutes to go, a highly unlkely scum move

Chaqa put Demon 5-3 in the lead, although an unlikely scum move Chaqa does love a bus and his protests about day 1 bussing look suspicious

Food was the first to vote Demon but was his 5th different votee of the day so does look indecisive town.

kgray more or less puts the nail in Demon's coffin with her vote putting him 6-4 in the lead against non-Mafia with 2 minutes to go. An extremely doubtful bus.

Bussing likelihood

Chaqa >> celaph > food >> Bona >>> Kgray

So we either have

No bussers => scum team is Jamie Macca rdr yav [G4]
1 busser => Chaqa + 3 of G4 or just maybe celaph + 3 of G4
2 bussers => Chaqa celaph + I would guess Macca and Yav.

This all points to tomorrow's kill target being either Macca or Yav.

Okay, thank you. It seems you've reversed course on thinking I am the most likely busser?

You were always 2nd to Chaqa tbh. You've now slipped to 3rd.

[Chaqa]

celaph put Demon 4-3 in the lead, an unlikely scum move

Bona put Demon 5-4 in the lead against 3 non-Mafia with 17 minutes to go, a highly unlkely scum move

Chaqa put Demon 5-3 in the lead, although an unlikely scum move Chaqa does love a bus and his protests about day 1 bussing look suspicious

Food was the first to vote Demon but was his 5th different votee of the day so does look indecisive town.

kgray more or less puts the nail in Demon's coffin with her vote putting him 6-4 in the lead against non-Mafia with 2 minutes to go. An extremely doubtful bus.

Bussing likelihood

Chaqa >> celaph > food >> Bona >>> Kgray

So we either have

No bussers => scum team is Jamie Macca rdr yav [G4]
1 busser => Chaqa + 3 of G4 or just maybe celaph + 3 of G4
2 bussers => Chaqa celaph + I would guess Macca and Yav.

This all points to tomorrow's kill target being either Macca or Yav.

I find it interesting how we can examine the same data and reach the opposite conclusion. I thought Kgray is the most likely busser by far, followed by celaph.

[foodcoats]

Rip BrainBomb - the thread won’t be the same without you

Can I get anyone interested in a ##vote Rdriveria daykill?

I'm fine with this. I'm also fine with you. You two didn't vote townily near the end of D1.

Care to elaborate on this? Or you are just throwing words (and shade) around?

##vote Yavuzovic until you explain what you saw in that message.

Eh, you're giving an excessive reaction and it doesn't make you townier. But here is what I saw:
I first checked peterbot to see who died and I knew brain died and he was watcher before starting to read the thread. This was one of the first messages I read and I had a suspicion that he observed your visit to Vecna. He couldn't have known which mafia role exactly you were but he had two purposes when suggesting this:
• Hiding his night action so he wouldn't attract a nightkill.
• Calling werewolf to eat you, which had a chance to work and even if it fails, this would prevent WW to kill a town.role.

I don't think the Janitor will be doing the kill with a Ninja around. And Vecna wasn't Janitored so this makes no sense.
And if he saw me doing a kill why he didn't even vote for me D2?

It's look a lot like you tryng to find reasons to justify your scum read on me and not an organic analysis of Brain's flip. Like that game you were scum with ND...

This might be a townslip from rdr. I actually went back into the roles descriptions around this point to try to understand... and indeed from the way it is written, the Janitor doesn't "do" the kill, they just clean it up.

Although, maybe rdr meant, "the Janitor would not go on the kill because they can keep it clean and unobservable with the ninja."