MAFIA 66: The Battle for Olympus - Game Thread [hidden]

[dargorygel]

Should we ask the town RBer (if there is one) to NOT RB tonight?

That way (not that they could signal whether they do, of course... but if most in the room wanted it... I'd hope they would choose not to RB) we would see if there is a town RB, and can deduce our setup.

The downside, of course, is that our town RB would not be RBing someone... but this is a worthwhile risk, yes?

I think using the PRs we have is more important than deducing the setup. We're already down two and I expect you'll soon be dead or RB'd into oblivion, so I think we should use what we can. I'm not convinced knowing the setup is worth it.

Aye... But they know, and knowing, too would be useful.

[foodcoats]

To be clear, I'm starting to find find darg's continued existence suspicious. It's just the "slip" that's BS.

We're not sorting it until there's a janit or a CC though.

What about his continued existence is suspicious?

Generally mafia wants to kill the cop.

It's a dominated strategy because they can RB him while hunting for the others.

[Hamilton Brian]

We were assuming that scenario 1 was out of play due to the roleblock claims. That'd be some devious shit knowing there's not a town roleblocker and drop roleblock claims.

I think we can reasonably discount this theory.

Because it's just too "out there?"

[kgray]

We were assuming that scenario 1 was out of play due to the roleblock claims. That'd be some devious shit knowing there's not a town roleblocker and drop roleblock claims.

I think we can reasonably discount this theory.

Because it's just too "out there?"

Because if we learned that we are in the setup without a town roleblocker, then we'd have a 50/50 shot at killing scum by voting only for the two people who claimed to be RB'd.

[Chaqa]

I think we can reasonably discount this theory.

Because it's just too "out there?"

Because if we learned that we are in the setup without a town roleblocker, then we'd have a 50/50 shot at killing scum by voting only for the two people who claimed to be RB'd.

So setup 3 or setup 5.

It's possible that scum didn't kill Dargo specifically because they didn't want to miss out on a kill if a doc save happened. If this is the case, then there's no Godfather and Journalist, which would mean ghug is a guaranteed clear.

[Hamilton Brian]

I think we can reasonably discount this theory.

Because it's just too "out there?"

Because if we learned that we are in the setup without a town roleblocker, then we'd have a 50/50 shot at killing scum by voting only for the two people who claimed to be RB'd.

True, but as long as scum control the narrative for establishing wagons, then it's a possibility. It's a moot point and all the attention to set-up isn't helpful to me right now.

[foodcoats]

Kak moving off Maniac onto Macca was also very scummy indeed.

I missed that vote. What a weird vote. That IS scummy.

@Kak, why did you vote for Macca to avoid a tie rather than moving to Flum?

[ghug]

This is a very lazy take given this setup.

There are obvious darg-as-cop reasons for it, but it's also what happens if darg as scum, so we have to consider that more and more likely the longer it goes on.

I wish I could find the post that suggested killing Darg if they make it past a certain night. I think they're a reasonable wagon for D4.

No. We're not considering a darg daykill until either there's a counterclaim or a janitor kill.

[foodcoats]

Well, I don't think yesterday was TvT.
I am going to keep pushing Maniac's daykill until one of us is dead.

Jamie, can you explain with reference to the voting why you think D3 could not have been TvT? I know why you scumread Maniac independently of the votes, but maybe you can weave the narrative for me around how Maniac was scum there.

I specifically voted for Flum because I saw a rush on Maniac. So I'm interested in how you perceive that rush - or whatever you might call it, or the general "what happened" at EOD3.

I didn't say it was impossible that it could have been TvT, I only said I don't think it was TvT.

I think we got close to daykilling Maniac, with momentum on his wagon, and then with the two top wagons tied, Fluminator, presumably in a last-minute attempt to obvtown, voted for himself.

What happened from that moment was that Kak's vote on Maniac tied things up again, but at the exact same time, several people reacted to Flum's self-vote as scum-indicative. So the votes moved around at speed and some people were very anxious to avoid a tie.

If it was a TvS EoD and Maniac was saved, I think the greatest suspicion should be directed upon people who moved to Flum "to avoid a tie" when he was already several votes into the lead. Damo looks especially suspect from that perspective.

Kak moving off Maniac onto Macca was also very scummy indeed.

Quoting the whole thing because I know clipping annoys some people.

These are interesting points of view, and I will consider them. Thank you.

[ghug]

If it was a TvS EoD and Maniac was saved, I think the greatest suspicion should be directed upon people who moved to Flum "to avoid a tie" when he was already several votes into the lead. Damo looks especially suspect from that perspective.

Alternatively, if Maniac is town, then I think damo is town. When he's scum he's very ambivalent about TvT wagons.

Good, then killing Maniac will help us to sort Damo.

This is how Jamie busses.

[foodcoats]

I would very much like to see a Jaime wagon. Jamie is off.

I just answered your fucking question, Foucdoats.

[rdrivera2005]

Kak moving off Maniac onto Macca was also very scummy indeed.

I missed that vote. What a weird vote. That IS scummy.

@Kak, why did you vote for Macca to avoid a tie rather than moving to Flum?

I think it's obvious but will let him answer.

[ghug]

Because it's just too "out there?"

Because if we learned that we are in the setup without a town roleblocker, then we'd have a 50/50 shot at killing scum by voting only for the two people who claimed to be RB'd.

So setup 3 or setup 5.

It's possible that scum didn't kill Dargo specifically because they didn't want to miss out on a kill if a doc save happened. If this is the case, then there's no Godfather and Journalist, which would mean ghug is a guaranteed clear.

Ooh Chaqa werewolf slipped

[ghug]

Kak moving off Maniac onto Macca was also very scummy indeed.

I missed that vote. What a weird vote. That IS scummy.

@Kak, why did you vote for Macca to avoid a tie rather than moving to Flum?

I encourage the people asking this question to continue making obvious that they didn't read EoD.

[Chaqa]

Because if we learned that we are in the setup without a town roleblocker, then we'd have a 50/50 shot at killing scum by voting only for the two people who claimed to be RB'd.

So setup 3 or setup 5.

It's possible that scum didn't kill Dargo specifically because they didn't want to miss out on a kill if a doc save happened. If this is the case, then there's no Godfather and Journalist, which would mean ghug is a guaranteed clear.

Ooh Chaqa werewolf slipped

?

[Jamiet99uk]

Alternatively, if Maniac is town, then I think damo is town. When he's scum he's very ambivalent about TvT wagons.

Good, then killing Maniac will help us to sort Damo.

This is how Jamie busses.

We should kill Ghug as well. If I'm scum he's definitely not on my team. No sir.

[ghug]

So setup 3 or setup 5.

It's possible that scum didn't kill Dargo specifically because they didn't want to miss out on a kill if a doc save happened. If this is the case, then there's no Godfather and Journalist, which would mean ghug is a guaranteed clear.

Ooh Chaqa werewolf slipped

?

Think about it.

[foodcoats]

Kak moving off Maniac onto Macca was also very scummy indeed.

I missed that vote. What a weird vote. That IS scummy.

@Kak, why did you vote for Macca to avoid a tie rather than moving to Flum?

I encourage the people asking this question to continue making obvious that they didn't read EoD.

Don't need to read EOD if I'm scum.

[Chaqa]

Ooh Chaqa werewolf slipped

?

Think about it.

If I were WW I would have chomped on you or Dargo already lol

[Jamiet99uk]

Kak moving off Maniac onto Macca was also very scummy indeed.

I missed that vote. What a weird vote. That IS scummy.

@Kak, why did you vote for Macca to avoid a tie rather than moving to Flum?

I encourage the people asking this question to continue making obvious that they didn't read EoD.

Ahem. I was present at EoD, and this is what I said to Kak at the time:

Somebody move Man-> Flum else Flum can tie

flum can't tie if no one else leaves one of them because of my macca vote

It's 9-6 currently, nowhere near a tie.

Vote Maniac tho

I purport that claiming you moved to a solo wagon to "prevent a tie", and then stayed there for the same reason when it was 9-6 and nowhere near tied, is sketchy.