MAFIA 66: The Battle for Olympus - Game Thread [hidden]

[kgray]

@macca
No better vote, yet?

Macca won't be here to change their vote.

Why do you think it's celaph?

I've just been rethinking, as I said i would. My reasons for a celaph vote are:
a) I am sheeping chaqa (joking.)
b) It starts with a gut feeling. I know we hate it when folk say this, but 'he feels disengaged.' As I read him now again... in ISO... he does not expand conversations. He answers questions, but does not move the conversation ahead. That feels scummy to me, today.
c) His read list, while I don't see it as darkly as brain did, felt like an assignment for his least favorite class in school. He was SUPPOSED to write it. In your words, his stuff doesn't seem original. (I know you haven't said it about HIM.)

I am not SUPER confident here. Convince me to move to bona, whom i have scumread all game... but on a low boil.

I looked back at his town reads lists and they were so similar to the one he posted here. I don't at all understand why people thought it was scummy. I think brain is tunneling, so he's going to see whatever confirms his read, but in general I just don't get it. I do get gut feelings. Mine is telling me that celaph is town and bona is scum. And I can point to a lot more problems I saw in Bona's readslist than celaph's.

[ghug]

I'm a bit confused here. Do you mean game D1? But celaph only got voted by bona and (shortly) foods (who voted bona afterwards) in the first part.

probably it's the first half of D2 then. That was however when people believed "vote for who you want to get shot" and cel only got to 3 votes 2 hours and 20 minutes before 'perceived EoD' or 'ToS'

he only picked up steam afterwards from the vote count on D2, even lost one vote then getting back to three by dargo. Then getting to 4, he lost votes and suddenly maniac was leading at 24 hours, which was the time the shot was about to happen (at least in some minds). And Maniac has been lead until 11 hours, then the ties happened.

so no, I don't get the impression with "looks really really good for Celaph", it more looks like he was defended and maniac was put on the block. I'm not saying that is true, but it was bona who put maniac to 3 (from cel to make a tie with cel), then Jamiet (4), then Chaqa (5). Damo putting him to 6 at 22 hours to go doesn't count for the 'shot' since that was after my reveal.

so if anything, celaph was defended by bona, jamiet and chaqa (don't know why, just with the vote count)

I think that Flum meant celaph's vote for Demon D1 makes him look really good. I agree with that, it was a decisive vote. Brain is making the case that celaph felt pressured into bussing Demon, although I didn't get that feeling as it was happening.

And I think Flum just means that today celaph would have more defenders if he were scum. I'm pretty much the only person defending him, so I agree with Flum's point here. My biggest scumreads aren't on celaph so I don't think scum are pushing him as a miskill, but it seems likely to me they're letting town kill off a townie.

Your D2 analysis is pretty sound, though. I think townies get "saved" on accident all the time, but if celaph does end up being scum then those are good places to start looking. It's also possible that scum knew you didn't have a gun, and the gun deadline vote didn't matter to them.

FWIW I think the rdr push IS a defence of celaph and/or damo.

Like this post

[foodcoats]

@kgray @kakarotto @chaqa

Can we rally on damo here?

We are in the middle of the scum push

[kgray]

Someone please tell us why rdr is scum.

+1

[Fluminator]

I'm interested why Bona apparently assumed scum would jump onto his wagon instead of one of a multitude of other wagons.
Unless it was just a worried knee jerk reaction to getting voted?

[dargorygel]

kgray, what's the case on Bona?
I've only experienced his first game so my meta on him won't be very useful

I mean a lot of it is admittedly because he keeps avoiding my questions about why he townreads worcej, who is actually my top scumread, and I think they make sense as partners. I also think his early townread of celaph was fake, considering how much he's walked that back now that celaph is under pressure and, I think, a likely miskill. He refused to vote for the gun EOD deadline, which goes against his whole "maximize info" strategy, and at a similar time ghug called him out for not tying votes. I think he was trying to avoid the over-the-top things he did as scum, but then felt pressured to go back to them.

I answered all the questions that you posted ffs. How do we make sense at partners?

I did vote for the gun EoD? I voted celaph and then Maniac.

I dispute that I've walked back my celaph townread.

what do you find townie about celaph?

[kgray]

kgray, what's the case on Bona?
I've only experienced his first game so my meta on him won't be very useful

I mean a lot of it is admittedly because he keeps avoiding my questions about why he townreads worcej, who is actually my top scumread, and I think they make sense as partners. I also think his early townread of celaph was fake, considering how much he's walked that back now that celaph is under pressure and, I think, a likely miskill. He refused to vote for the gun EOD deadline, which goes against his whole "maximize info" strategy, and at a similar time ghug called him out for not tying votes. I think he was trying to avoid the over-the-top things he did as scum, but then felt pressured to go back to them.

I answered all the questions that you posted ffs. How do we make sense at partners?

I did vote for the gun EoD? I voted celaph and then Maniac.

I dispute that I've walked back my celaph townread.

Bona I've asked you like 4 times now how in the world worcej's D1 VCA makes him towny. Your reasons to townread him didn't hold up to the slightest questioning. The thing you originally gave him credit for was something Chaqa did.

You said specifically you were going to wait to the end. It was something that felt forced to me.

You were encouraging brain's scumread of celaph just a few hours ago...

[Maniac]

@flum and @food - look at the D1 votes. DemonRHK is on the chopping board so scum would presuambly at least try and build a counter-wagon. Rdriveria is the third vote on HB. Then Demon needs to defend himself and HB and Kak are the two counter-wagons. My guess is that demon opts for the counter-wagon with the least scum already on it so scum can still shift and save demonRHK.

Others have made separate points, but that's my reason for voting Rdriveria.

I think voting Celaph who was a DemonRHK voter is a poor DK. Town is obsessed with finding a busser. Better to find the scum that weren't on DemonRHK IMHO.

[kgray]

@kgray @kakarotto @chaqa

Can we rally on damo here?

We are in the middle of the scum push

I would vote for damo way before Rivera and celaph, and I'm not going to stay on a non-viable wagon. So yes.

[damo666]

Someone please tell us why rdr is scum.

He survived N1.

[Maniac]

I hate Chaqa's vote on Celaph when Rdriveria is a viable option. Look at this

P97 - Chaqa said "I don't think celaph or food are bussing there." In same post rdriveria was in Chaqa's scum list.
P97 - Chaqa said "Food and celaph sat on the RHK wagon and I know at least celaph was online at EoD, if i remember the online list correctly (this is a possible case of bad memory, but I'm not sure). I don't think scum!food or scum!celaph just sits on a teammate and goes MIA"
p101 Chaqa again names rdriveria in his scum list.
p112 Chaqa says don't shoot/DK Celaph, maybe DK Riveria
p118 - chaqa lists his eight scum targets including Rdriveria
p118 - Chaqa asks for the case on Celaph.
P130 - Cgaqa still doesn't understand Celaph case
Pg 145 - with a little push from Kgray Chaqa suddenly votes celaph. At this point it was celaph 5, Maniac 4 Rdriveria 4

So having town read celpah for most of the day and scum read rdriveria, when it gets to the business end of the day and chaq can follow his reads he completely does a u-turn to force celaph further into the lead and protect rdriveria who had been his scum read. This makes no sense if Chaqa is town. If rdriveria does flip scum, then Chaqa looks terrible here.

well chaqa just put rd into top wagon with his change away from celaph, so what do you think about it now?

Yet despite having rdriveria in his eight people to kill, when he gets a chance he plonks himself on flum. I think he is waiting to see which way the wind blows. Rdriveria and Chaqa look scummy here.

[celaph]

@bona, what are your reads at the moment?

Townread worcej, for having the actually solid idea that darg had to have read the setup and all that
Townread macca off of vibes
brain - eager but wrong in townie ways

scumreading food, for being smart in a very weird way and dumb in a very weird way.
scumreading HR for mushing his group with Chaqa's? Kinda weird since the groups themselves were fine. If HR is scum then there are two or three towns in the smaller group he named (worcej, RDR, macca)
soft scumreading rdr for just not seeming as sly in the way he did in previous games
soft scumreading kgray just for seeming off-beat even though I agree with her on a lot of things. VCA also isn't great.

not sure:
I go back and forth on ghug cause he makes some good points but then goes and does something that makes him look really bad to me. If he's not dead in a while I'm calling this scum.
Chaqa seems different from his last game, but I suppose he'd be like that in all circumstances. Leantown, but if he's not dked soon leanscum
I dunno about kak. The gun business was townie but asking "oh why would I do this if I was scum i'm so town" set off a lot of alarm bells for me.

I'm assuming HR is supposed to be HB otherwise I'm exceptionally concerned, instead of just very concerned. I dislike how little you say about me after spending the whole day saying that you're trying to get info on me. I dislike how few people you get around to mentioning. ##vote Bona. I want to see more pressure on this man.

[foodcoats]

@flum and @food - look at the D1 votes. DemonRHK is on the chopping board so scum would presuambly at least try and build a counter-wagon. Rdriveria is the third vote on HB. Then Demon needs to defend himself and HB and Kak are the two counter-wagons. My guess is that demon opts for the counter-wagon with the least scum already on it so scum can still shift and save demonRHK.

Others have made separate points, but that's my reason for voting Rdriveria.

I think voting Celaph who was a DemonRHK voter is a poor DK. Town is obsessed with finding a busser. Better to find the scum that weren't on DemonRHK IMHO.

This actually is compelling, but not enough to DK rdr today

[kgray]

@kgray @kakarotto @chaqa

Can we rally on damo here?

We are in the middle of the scum push

But explain more please on what you think the scum push is that's happening right now? The only real change recently has been the Bona wagon, and I'm really confident kak, at least, is town.

[foodcoats]

@kgray @kakarotto @chaqa

Can we rally on damo here?

We are in the middle of the scum push

I would vote for damo way before Rivera and celaph, and I'm not going to stay on a non-viable wagon. So yes.

Okay, great

##VOTE damo666

[dargorygel]

@kgray @kakarotto @chaqa

Can we rally on damo here?

We are in the middle of the scum push

But explain more please on what you think the scum push is that's happening right now? The only real change recently has been the Bona wagon, and I'm really confident kak, at least, is town.

Kgray
Kgray
Are you about to move to damo just when I was listening to you about bona?

[dargorygel]

##VOTE BONATOGETHER

[Hellenic Riot]

Day Two Vote Count 5.0:

Bonatogether (5): kgray, Kakarroto, Fluminator, celaph, dargorygel
rdrivera2005 (4): Maniac, damo666, Bonatogether, yavuzovic
celaph (3): ghug, brainbomb
damo666 (3): worcej, rdrivera2005, foodcoats
Maniac (2): Jamiet99uk, Hamilton Brian
dargorygel (1): Macca573
Fluminator (1): Chaqa

Currently BONATOGETHER is set to be daykilled.

You have 60 minutes remaining.

[foodcoats]

@kgray @kakarotto @chaqa

Can we rally on damo here?

We are in the middle of the scum push

But explain more please on what you think the scum push is that's happening right now? The only real change recently has been the Bona wagon, and I'm really confident kak, at least, is town.

I saw the rdr wagon was at 5 and my face melted, essentially.

[Bonatogether]

I am going on a walk with my sister. I do not expect to be back for 20 or 30 minutes.