MAFIA 66: The Battle for Olympus - Game Thread [hidden]

[rdrivera2005]

Scum lean:
HB — He’s been more aggressive than I expected particularly with rdr. I’ve found their interactions as a whole off-putting, but of the two I prefer rdr at the moment. His comment on demon near EoD1 didn’t really push him and he ended up on brain.
Maniac -- I see why Maniac is scummy, but it feels like this wagon is motived equally by Maniac’s inactivity. Not a sexy wagon by any stretch of the imagination.
Damo — I posted more in depth about Damo and my concerns with him earlier.

there is really nothing said here. hes calling maniac an unsexy scumlean, HB is listed as not as scummy as rdrivera and yet rdr isnt even in this list, and damo he doesnt even link us to his reasoning like usual

To be honest, I understand he is saying he prefers me over HB, so I am less scummy.

[brainbomb]

so why is the majority of his scumread on hamilton spent talking about you?

[foodcoats]

Here are all of the votes cast for Celaph in the last 24 hours, with their accompanying comments:

I could go for celaph or bona. But I'll be satisfied with celaph. Too many empty posts, and he's better than that.

##vote celaph

I haven't been able to follow the game very closely today, but from just looking at the wagons, ##vote celaph to make him squirm a bit.

##vote celaph for competitive wagons

hmm ... not that I especially dislike the people on maniac, the people on celaph are quite more sexier overall, and celaph didn't answer my question on post #2530 on page 127 yet, and bona wanted competetive wagons, so let's see where that brings us

##vote celaph

##vote celaph

Apparently the momentum on Celaph is because we want competitive wagons with Kak thinks that Ghug and Darg are sexy.

Who thinks these look like good, solid, strong reasons for voting?

This is interesting analysis, Jamie. You leave out that I think there’s a solid read on scum!celaph but that’s beside the point I suppose.

The most interesting thing for me here is how Bona is acting. Bona was pretty adamant D1 about how he can read celaph. So we’d expect Bona to firm up his read in one direction or another and cite clear evidence, because celaph is his specialty. Instead, Bona isn’t evolving in reads and is just pushing more “formally,” voting celaph to pressure him or create wagon competition rather than because he scumreads him.

That is very interesting indeed.

Given how Demon linked celaph and Bona in his reads, I wonder if Bona and celaph might both be scum. It’s a bit out there because I think there are strong reasons to townread bona but bona also seems a little too methodical and cutting.

[dargorygel]

Third Party:

Werewolf:
You are the WEREWOLF. Each day you must vote for a suspect. At night, you may choose to guess the role of another player by PM’ing the GM with the order ##CONSUME <NAME> as <ROLE>. If you guess correctly, that player will die and you will gain full immunity from death for the following day phase. If you guess wrong, that player will not die and they will NOT be informed of your visit. After you make TWO incorrect guesses, incorrectly guessed players WILL be informed of your visit and role for that guess and all guesses going forward, but you will retain the ability to attempt to consume players. You are not informed whether your guess is correct or not. As a creature of the dark, you are permanently immune from all night-kills, and will learn the name of anyone who attempts to kill you at night. You win when all of the Mafia and all of the Town have been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from happening.

I don't understand this. If the guess is correct the player dies. What am I missing?

Aye... There are a number of reasons his bite could have failed.

[rdrivera2005]

Third Party:

Werewolf:
You are the WEREWOLF. Each day you must vote for a suspect. At night, you may choose to guess the role of another player by PM’ing the GM with the order ##CONSUME <NAME> as <ROLE>. If you guess correctly, that player will die and you will gain full immunity from death for the following day phase. If you guess wrong, that player will not die and they will NOT be informed of your visit. After you make TWO incorrect guesses, incorrectly guessed players WILL be informed of your visit and role for that guess and all guesses going forward, but you will retain the ability to attempt to consume players. You are not informed whether your guess is correct or not. As a creature of the dark, you are permanently immune from all night-kills, and will learn the name of anyone who attempts to kill you at night. You win when all of the Mafia and all of the Town have been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from happening.

I don't understand this. If the guess is correct the player dies. What am I missing?

There are a lot of PRs that can interfere with this interaction. Like Doctor, driver, RBer.

[foodcoats]

Ok, I'm on page 75 and I will not make it up before EOD. So for now, I will leave a vote on ##VOTE dargorygel . Basically, I don't like what he did with the whole claim thing, a thought that will be better expressed when my posts come out.

Goodnight, and I'll see you tomorrow!

Wow, really? I thought you were available for this half of D2. Very scummy to leave us with shit all from you with 7 hours to go.

[Jamiet99uk]

Did Maniac retract his VT claim?
Where and when did he do that? What was he wearing at the time?

Nevermind, cross-posted with Damo finding the quote.

Ok then.

But I am unaware of his attire. He promised pictures, but they have not arrived.

This is how I like to imagine Maniac looks and, indeed, sounds:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8063h3KT6bY

[Hamilton Brian]

I hate that brain was strangely prophetic when they wrote "Perhaps vecna needs to go next"

Eerie

I'm not discounting brain's towniness, but that is weird.

[Jamiet99uk]

Werewolf:
You are the WEREWOLF. Each day you must vote for a suspect. At night, you may choose to guess the role of another player by mailing the GM a potato with the order ##CONSUME <NAME> as <ROLE> carved into its starchy surface. If you guess correctly, that player will explode and you will gain full immunity from death for the following day phase. If you guess wrong, that player will not die and they will NOT be informed of your stupidity. After you make TWO incorrect guesses, incorrectly guessed players WILL be informed of your increasingly inept visits going forward, but you will retain the ability to attempt to consume players, although apparently you lack the wit to achieve this. You are not informed whether your guess is correct or not. As a creature of the dark, you are permanently immune from all night-kills, and will learn the name of anyone who attempts to kill you at night. You win when all of the Mafia and all of the Town have been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from happening.

I don't understand this. If the guess is correct the player dies. What am I missing?

They could guess correctly but their target could be saved or whatever. The point is, they would not learn the reason their target didn't die.

[brainbomb]

I hate that brain was strangely prophetic when they wrote "Perhaps vecna needs to go next"

Eerie

I'm not discounting brain's towniness, but that is weird.

ah inception
classic

[Hamilton Brian]

Aye... There are a number of reasons his bite could have failed.

Would it benefit ww to go biting so early? Seems like a pretty risky play because one more error they're outed next time they go. I don't know, seems like a role to keep out of view until later on. But, hey, what do I know.

[brainbomb]

why would we care what benefits ww

[Fluminator]

I'm not going to have time before deadline to actually read whats going on. The weekend ill be around a bit more.

Can someone tell me if the Maniac wagon shrinking down makes sense?

[Hamilton Brian]

@Celaph, what was it that made you jump to Demon besides kgray's influence?

[brainbomb]

@Celaph, what was it that made you jump to Demon besides kgray's influence?

That was why I said celaph moved to rhk
this was never addressed by celaph as truth

[brainbomb]

If you recall I said celaph noticed RHK getting into the weeds with kgray who was thrashing him in the thread and amid that celaph suddenly voted rhk

[Fluminator]

Based on the fact celaph did vote to kill demon, I'd prefer to kill damo out of the top 2.
Do people really think scum would roleblock Vecna though if they're killing him?

[damo666]

Werewolf:
You are the WEREWOLF. Each day you must vote for a suspect. At night, you may choose to guess the role of another player by mailing the GM a potato with the order ##CONSUME <NAME> as <ROLE> carved into its starchy surface. If you guess correctly, that player will explode and you will gain full immunity from death for the following day phase. If you guess wrong, that player will not die and they will NOT be informed of your stupidity. After you make TWO incorrect guesses, incorrectly guessed players WILL be informed of your increasingly inept visits going forward, but you will retain the ability to attempt to consume players, although apparently you lack the wit to achieve this. You are not informed whether your guess is correct or not. As a creature of the dark, you are permanently immune from all night-kills, and will learn the name of anyone who attempts to kill you at night. You win when all of the Mafia and all of the Town have been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from happening.

I don't understand this. If the guess is correct the player dies. What am I missing?

They could guess correctly but their target could be saved or whatever. The point is, they would not learn the reason their target didn't die.

Yeah I was guilty of one way thinking

[brainbomb]

That's because my read of you is currently very heavily linked to bona. If he is scum, you're more likely scum.

"If you think X is defending Y, vote for Y first"

This makes no sense. Scum can obviously defend town. Town can defend town.

"If you think X is scum, vote for X."

In what world does scum!celaph defend/come to the aid of town!bona here?

Although this is a hmmm quote. I could go either way but it sorta looks like RHK defending celaph and shading bona.

[damo666]

Aye... There are a number of reasons his bite could have failed.

Would it benefit ww to go biting so early? Seems like a pretty risky play because one more error they're outed next time they go. I don't know, seems like a role to keep out of view until later on. But, hey, what do I know.

WW can't win without gambling