MAFIA 66: The Battle for Olympus - Game Thread [hidden]

[brainbomb]

##vote celaph

[damo666]

Of these Chaqa stands out as the only one who was on Demon yesterday. Has your read of him changed from N1 when you had him as a cautious town lean?

I missed that
*looks at page 69 to damo's reads* ... "Chaqa - probtown but does like a bus so townlean with caution."

well, he actually mentioned the bus so I wouldn't think damo would think the way you describe it. Was this a try to throw shade? Do I interpret too much into that? It first looked like celaph trying to solve but the second look make me question that strongly.

Damo obviously thought Chaqa warranted a cautious townlean N1. He then includes Chaqa on a might kill list. My question, is if in the intermediate 50 or so pages, has his justification changed.

My bigger concern with Damo and the driving motivation behind the question is that he hasn't posted any reads outside that one list N1. The only thing has has done is the "I'll vote from these people" list that he posted today. (Side note: his more recent vote is on Maniac who wasn't on the list).

Secondly, the timing on his N1 reads list feels unnatural to me. He posted it 6 hours before EoN which seems odd given that he was active later that night. More interestingly, he also posted it less than an hour after responding to brain's criticism that he hadn't mentioned most of the people in the game and took care to respond to mention everyone (except flum) including people like Jamie and ghug on which he had nothing to say.

My read on Chaqa has moved to null. Other reads unchanged (actually no, Maniac's most recent post makes me lean town on him now).

And you're right my read list post was at least partially provoked by brain (and my D1 inactivity).

[damo666]

Reasons for no gunshot

Vecna was RBd => Jamie lying scum
Gun not yet fired (most probable reason)
Vecna made something else?
Vecna failed to invent/give - can be ignored.

I hard claim no item.

Which if these do you think is most likely?

It says so on the tin.

[foodcoats]

This may be a stupid question but do Mafia have a roleblock?

Also for those looking for a D1 busser, sure a busser could exist. The vote count at the end was DemonRHK 7, Kak 4, HB 3, so unless Kak and HB are scum then DemonRHK gets saved if there are two scum on his wagon.

So assuming 0 or 1 busser we have scum on demonRHK could be 1/6

And non-bussers mafia are 3 from the remaining twelve players. Much more chance of finding scum here even if we throw a dart.

We can find any bussers later.

I'm aware that you'll all think I'm saying this to save myself, but you should all know it makes sense. Ask yourselves what you'll do if I flip town? Will you keep going through DemonRHK voters?

This is interesting from Maniac. He has a decent point about one busser only. Also the way Maniac is acting, in particular seeming kind of excited and specifically entering saying he “had a reason to waste time” playing this game and is now kind of walking away and not fighting for his spot and says he DOESN’T have time, makes me think he is the WW. It seems like a particularly hard 3P that is actually just designed to prevent massclaim and I totally could see someone being frustrated by drawing it.

In my analysis then celaph was the busser, although he probably didn’t intend to and got stuck. damo is weirdly lurky, and in general I’m finding the conversation for the last few hours feels like town arguing with itself, so I’d say mafia is predominantly in lurk mode, possibly lacking confidence. damo is one other scum. HB would be a third, he’s said weird wishy washy nothingness. Not sure on the last.

Can you elaborate on why you think I was bussing, in particular why you think I didn't intend to and got stuck?

I wrote about it in another post.

Can you tell me, do you think that the Demon wagon was all town? Or do you scumread anyone on there?

Vote and show me your cards. You only made one vote yesterday. Will it be the same today? Your vote is a tool, you know...

[damo666]

I like celaph’s participation, he will at least be fun to play with. Damo usually has stronger play, seems to be making silly posts that don’t display any depth, rando unexplained rdr vote, and I believe he may be the Janitor and was blocked. Not just from Maniac’s argument but another clue on the text but don’t want to accidentally out anything yet.

Also interested to see what damo does if pressured.

##VOTE damo666

Not panic.

[damo666]

I missed that
*looks at page 69 to damo's reads* ... "Chaqa - probtown but does like a bus so townlean with caution."

well, he actually mentioned the bus so I wouldn't think damo would think the way you describe it. Was this a try to throw shade? Do I interpret too much into that? It first looked like celaph trying to solve but the second look make me question that strongly.

Damo obviously thought Chaqa warranted a cautious townlean N1. He then includes Chaqa on a might kill list. My question, is if in the intermediate 50 or so pages, has his justification changed.

My bigger concern with Damo and the driving motivation behind the question is that he hasn't posted any reads outside that one list N1. The only thing has has done is the "I'll vote from these people" list that he posted today. (Side note: his more recent vote is on Maniac who wasn't on the list).

Secondly, the timing on his N1 reads list feels unnatural to me. He posted it 6 hours before EoN which seems odd given that he was active later that night. More interestingly, he also posted it less than an hour after responding to brain's criticism that he hadn't mentioned most of the people in the game and took care to respond to mention everyone (except flum) including people like Jamie and ghug on which he had nothing to say.

My read on Chaqa has moved to null. Other reads unchanged (actually no, Maniac's most recent post makes me lean town on him now).

And you're right my read list post was at least partially provoked by brain (and my D1 inactivity).

I meant to add that my today kill list is rdr yav Flum

[Jamiet99uk]

Firstly Jamie’s claim to have been roleblocked is interesting. The possibilities are:
(1) He is telling the truth and scum think he is a PR
(2) He is telling the truth and we have a Roleblocker who thinks Jamie is scum
(3) He is lying (and therefore likely scum).
Taking these in order on night one how usual is it for scum to RB the person they kill? They have clearly killed Vecna for a reason (assuming it’s not a freak werewolf kill) and that is likely to be that they suspect he was a PR. If they suspected him of being the inventor then they would almost certainly have RB him to ensure nothing useful fell into town hands. Unless one of vecna’s inventions gets claimed and used, I’m leaning towards option (1) being unlikely.

Jamie could’ve been blocked by the town roleblocker which would tell us two things (a) we have a town roleblocker and (b) scum have a janitor which raises the question why wasn’t vecna janitored? Maybe Jamie is the janitor but got roleblocked, maybe scum wanted to keep janitor hidden? I think keeping janitor hidden is unlikely, scum benefit massively from cleaning up the first nightkill. So this leaves us with the possibility that Jamie is telling the truth about being roleblocked and that increases the likelihood that he is the janitor.

If Jamie wasn’t roleblocked then he is lying scum. I doubt any town player lies about a roleblock when there is a high probability that we have a town roleblocker in play.

Tl:Dr on that bit – I think Jamie could be the janitor.

I suppose I should respond to this since you have at last managed to put some effort into posting.

Your narrative about how I could be the Janitor is logically consistent from a town perspective, apart from the way it ignores the fact there are *two* roleblock claims. It's also wrong, since I am town, but if you are town it would be a valid enough theory to postulate.

Apart from Damo's claim there is also a scenario you have not considered in your list here:

(4) Jamie is telling the truth and scum roleblocked him to cause noise and distraction in the thread by having people doubt his roleblock claim.

I say this because as scum, in a previous game, I was part of a scum team that decided to roleblock Brainbomb, not because we thought he was PR (we didn't) but simply because it would cause Brainbomb to yell "I WAS ROLEBLOCKED" and the ensuing drama this would create in the thread would be helpful to scum in keeping hidden. So this is literally a tactic that I can verify scum have used before.

Now if you are going to keep participating I demand that you address this lying post right here:

Only have a minute but if I die before I wake up tomorrow, then please please please daykill brainbomb or Rdriveria

I’ve had suspicions about Jamie from the start, so he wouldn’t be a bad kill either.

Sorry I haven’t had a lot of time this game

Your D1 vote on me was before I had posted for the first time so you could not possibly have had legitimate "suspicions" about me at the time you cast it. Therefore saying "I’ve had suspicions about Jamie from the start" is a bad lie and I'm not letting you get away with it.

Please address this.

[Jamiet99uk]

Here's a general point that is often overlooked:

Scum do want to kill PRs, of course.
Scum also want to kill players they think are good.

Sometimes however, some people's analysis is constructed as if that is all Scum are ever trying to achieve at night.

Scum want to hide. Scum want to misdirect town. Scum want to mislead town with red herrings. Scum want town to be confused.

Do not forget that the creation of noise, distraction, and general confusion are valid motivations for scum decision making.

[Jamiet99uk]

Here are all of the votes cast for Celaph in the last 24 hours, with their accompanying comments:

I could go for celaph or bona. But I'll be satisfied with celaph. Too many empty posts, and he's better than that.

##vote celaph

I haven't been able to follow the game very closely today, but from just looking at the wagons, ##vote celaph to make him squirm a bit.

##vote celaph for competitive wagons

hmm ... not that I especially dislike the people on maniac, the people on celaph are quite more sexier overall, and celaph didn't answer my question on post #2530 on page 127 yet, and bona wanted competetive wagons, so let's see where that brings us

##vote celaph

##vote celaph

Apparently the momentum on Celaph is because we want competitive wagons with Kak thinks that Ghug and Darg are sexy.

Who thinks these look like good, solid, strong reasons for voting?

[Jamiet99uk]

*and Kak thinks...

[TheMadMonarch]

Ok, I'm on page 75 and I will not make it up before EOD. So for now, I will leave a vote on ##VOTE dargorygel . Basically, I don't like what he did with the whole claim thing, a thought that will be better expressed when my posts come out.

Goodnight, and I'll see you tomorrow!

[brainbomb]

I realize that your massive erection longs to see maniac behead and shackled to a mechanical bull

at present I am iffy on maniac being scum and think maybe hes just very lazy

whereas I think celaph told me in at least 3 ways he is scum

[brainbomb]

Ok, I'm on page 75 and I will not make it up before EOD. So for now, I will leave a vote on ##VOTE dargorygel . Basically, I don't like what he did with the whole claim thing, a thought that will be better expressed when my posts come out.

Goodnight, and I'll see you tomorrow!

so yea thats the cop
youre gonna leave your vote on the cop

[TheMadMonarch]

Ok, I'm on page 75 and I will not make it up before EOD. So for now, I will leave a vote on ##VOTE dargorygel . Basically, I don't like what he did with the whole claim thing, a thought that will be better expressed when my posts come out.

Goodnight, and I'll see you tomorrow!

so yea thats the cop
youre gonna leave your vote on the cop

Where I'm up to, he's no longer the cop. And even if he reclaimed, I wouldn't believe him (barring exceptional circumstances).

[brainbomb]

maniac saying he has sussed jamie since before jamie had ever posted seems like a really lazy or very misunderstood point.

1 like did maniac rvs vote jamie
2 get concerned jamie maybe actually was scum
3 decide that hes been sus of jamie all along from point 2 on or from point 1 on

I feel like the laziness is pretty bad there

[brainbomb]

Ok, I'm on page 75 and I will not make it up before EOD. So for now, I will leave a vote on ##VOTE dargorygel . Basically, I don't like what he did with the whole claim thing, a thought that will be better expressed when my posts come out.

Goodnight, and I'll see you tomorrow!

so yea thats the cop
youre gonna leave your vote on the cop

Where I'm up to, he's no longer the cop. And even if he reclaimed, I wouldn't believe him (barring exceptional circumstances).

hes cop
he inno scanned ghug

[brainbomb]

Maniac has been in games with Jamie and myself since M15. hes been in games with ghug and chaqa even longer.

If Maniac does flip scum it tells you a lot about the malaise of the scumteam. dare I say, playing largely a defeated low energy game

[brainbomb]

I was reading the inventors items and the healing crystal is the best item. it is a three shot doc save that expires when someone is saved. I think vecna wouldve given out a crystal or binoculars rather than trust some person to use a gun early game

[damo666]

Surely scumManiac would have claimed missingPR rather than VT?

Only discussing Jamie wrt to RB claim and not me is odd. Possible explanations are:

i) Maniac is scum and was therefore conscious of Jamie being RBd
ii) Maniac is town but only noticed Jamie's claim and not mine (possible as he seems obsessed with J for some reason).

Perhaps Town RBer should say who they role blocked. If they roleblocked Jamie that gets rid of option i) above

[damo666]

I was reading the inventors items and the healing crystal is the best item. it is a three shot doc save that expires when someone is saved. I think vecna wouldve given out a crystal or binoculars rather than trust some person to use a gun early game

I doubt he'd give out bins that early. Crystal is very very possible.