MAFIA 66: The Battle for Olympus - Game Thread [hidden]

[rdrivera2005]

ahhh, do you think he knew there was no gun? at least in my hands?

If scum RBed Vecna, I think Damo and Maniac (lack of) reactions could be scum knowing there is no gun.

testing who reacted natually and who knew more was one of the reasons I did it.

I was thinking on doing this too, but you were faster. I also think you could have pressured a bit more, like ask for last words from someone, tell you sent the order to GMS, things like that, but it was a good move anyway.

[Kakarroto]

Do it in a civil manner.

+25

Still waiting on what I did that was not civil. Using caps on the ‘lying’ comment was because Kgray called me a liar for misrepresenting something and then she turns around and does the same.

Sorry folks, but if someone scums me and brings me up numerous times I will push back at them.

I can't point to an explicit thing right now, I don't want to look at it again, the whole thing made you just look bad in my eyes, like forcing something with non consent and not backing off after the fun of it was long over. It felt like it was something that didn't have to do with the game. I think that wasn't your intend and maybe I misread this whole thing, but it left a sour taste behind and since I think that wasn't your goal best is just to cool it off.

Take my comment as being thankful for Chaqa for his efforts as mediator.

[Kakarroto]

SO maybe y'all have said it... But if vecna was rb'd would he have been able to invent a gun? And why would scum NOT rb who they kill?

that's my main reason why I think there might be one lying about being roleblocked.

[Kakarroto]

Isn't it remarkable that Damo only voted Kak on day 1?

I'm surprised nobody has noticed this.

I just thought this was damo being damo

He typically moves his vote around a lot and uses it as a form to leverage response from people.

did you ask him why he didn't do his usual stuff?

@damo why didn't you do your usual stuff with voting many different people? is it actually your ususal stuff or is worcej misremembering/misleading?

[foodcoats]

This may be a stupid question but do Mafia have a roleblock?

Also for those looking for a D1 busser, sure a busser could exist. The vote count at the end was DemonRHK 7, Kak 4, HB 3, so unless Kak and HB are scum then DemonRHK gets saved if there are two scum on his wagon.

So assuming 0 or 1 busser we have scum on demonRHK could be 1/6

And non-bussers mafia are 3 from the remaining twelve players. Much more chance of finding scum here even if we throw a dart.

We can find any bussers later.

I'm aware that you'll all think I'm saying this to save myself, but you should all know it makes sense. Ask yourselves what you'll do if I flip town? Will you keep going through DemonRHK voters?

This is interesting from Maniac. He has a decent point about one busser only. Also the way Maniac is acting, in particular seeming kind of excited and specifically entering saying he “had a reason to waste time” playing this game and is now kind of walking away and not fighting for his spot and says he DOESN’T have time, makes me think he is the WW. It seems like a particularly hard 3P that is actually just designed to prevent massclaim and I totally could see someone being frustrated by drawing it.

In my analysis then celaph was the busser, although he probably didn’t intend to and got stuck. damo is weirdly lurky, and in general I’m finding the conversation for the last few hours feels like town arguing with itself, so I’d say mafia is predominantly in lurk mode, possibly lacking confidence. damo is one other scum. HB would be a third, he’s said weird wishy washy nothingness. Not sure on the last.

[worcej]

I just thought this was damo being damo

He typically moves his vote around a lot and uses it as a form to leverage response from people.

did you ask him why he didn't do his usual stuff?

@damo why didn't you do your usual stuff with voting many different people? is it actually your ususal stuff or is worcej misremembering/misleading?

No, I’ve kinda given up on asking for explanations from damo lol...

But my vote is on him for a reason.

[foodcoats]

SO maybe y'all have said it... But if vecna was rb'd would he have been able to invent a gun? And why would scum NOT rb who they kill?

that's my main reason why I think there might be one lying about being roleblocked.

It’s not so hard to imagine scum deciding to RB someone else. They could have thought Vec was not PR... they might know there is no Watcher... maybe they sussed a Doc... etc.

[Kakarroto]

Nothing about Kak's revelation changes the fact that voting for Maniac is good.

I still need to see why it's good. It seems like a waste.

why, do you know maniac's role? do you know he's town? how many posts did he make, 3? 4? *uses bot tracker* alright, 13 posts.

jokepost jokevote on jamiet
comment on his wagon
jokepost + one read
reaction to why he doesn't post much + same read
one comment that might be useful about jamiet
vote (no reason - hamilton)
vote (no reason - demon)
--- N1 start
cheer
jokepost to food
comment for his late post on demon
--- D2 start
vote with foods on jamiet
question about roleblock + thinking about bussers
comment no time, wants to target bb or rd if he dies, again

at least he is consistent anti jamiet and tries to buddy flood (I guess), the comment on his post seems to have some thought put behind it. But still with this less (I would say 'much' but it isn't), he feels nonexistent and has no impact on how the game goes for town.

If you can determine with this volume that he is town, why haven't you already solved the whole game?

[foodcoats]

SO maybe y'all have said it... But if vecna was rb'd would he have been able to invent a gun? And why would scum NOT rb who they kill?

that's my main reason why I think there might be one lying about being roleblocked.

Also, if scum got a gun, optimal play seems to hold it for late game... no?

[Kakarroto]

If scum RBed Vecna, I think Damo and Maniac (lack of) reactions could be scum knowing there is no gun.

testing who reacted natually and who knew more was one of the reasons I did it.

I was thinking on doing this too, but you were faster. I also think you could have pressured a bit more, like ask for last words from someone, tell you sent the order to GMS, things like that, but it was a good move anyway.

yeah I would've loved to do that, but since I was on limited time with work and didn't want to drag it out too long since that would've been very bad for the second half of the day (and it didn't seem the people I wanted most to react on it were either not here/didn't react or reacted nonchalantly) I decided it's best to give this information so we well have a rest of normal day without chaos

[worcej]

I still need to see why it's good. It seems like a waste.

why, do you know maniac's role? do you know he's town? how many posts did he make, 3? 4? *uses bot tracker* alright, 13 posts.

jokepost jokevote on jamiet
comment on his wagon
jokepost + one read
reaction to why he doesn't post much + same read
one comment that might be useful about jamiet
vote (no reason - hamilton)
vote (no reason - demon)
--- N1 start
cheer
jokepost to food
comment for his late post on demon
--- D2 start
vote with foods on jamiet
question about roleblock + thinking about bussers
comment no time, wants to target bb or rd if he dies, again

at least he is consistent anti jamiet and tries to buddy flood (I guess), the comment on his post seems to have some thought put behind it. But still with this less (I would say 'much' but it isn't), he feels nonexistent and has no impact on how the game goes for town.

If you can determine with this volume that he is town, why haven't you already solved the whole game?

I wish I had a crystal ball and could know maniac’s alignment. I just don’t think maniac not playing much isn’t as scummy as HB’s fakeness and damo’s lack of investigation and his focus on darg more than anything else (my opinion)

[worcej]

SO maybe y'all have said it... But if vecna was rb'd would he have been able to invent a gun? And why would scum NOT rb who they kill?

that's my main reason why I think there might be one lying about being roleblocked.

Also, if scum got a gun, optimal play seems to hold it for late game... no?

Yes, so if you believe this then do you think we should look at who Vecna was obv!towning?

[Kakarroto]

SO maybe y'all have said it... But if vecna was rb'd would he have been able to invent a gun? And why would scum NOT rb who they kill?

that's my main reason why I think there might be one lying about being roleblocked.

It’s not so hard to imagine scum deciding to RB someone else. They could have thought Vec was not PR... they might know there is no Watcher... maybe they sussed a Doc... etc.

maybe, it's not impossible. Like I said, it was an early, probably faulty, theory.

[Kakarroto]

SO maybe y'all have said it... But if vecna was rb'd would he have been able to invent a gun? And why would scum NOT rb who they kill?

that's my main reason why I think there might be one lying about being roleblocked.

Also, if scum got a gun, optimal play seems to hold it for late game... no?

oh don't make me shiver

[Kakarroto]

I still need to see why it's good. It seems like a waste.

why, do you know maniac's role? do you know he's town? how many posts did he make, 3? 4? *uses bot tracker* alright, 13 posts.

jokepost jokevote on jamiet
comment on his wagon
jokepost + one read
reaction to why he doesn't post much + same read
one comment that might be useful about jamiet
vote (no reason - hamilton)
vote (no reason - demon)
--- N1 start
cheer
jokepost to food
comment for his late post on demon
--- D2 start
vote with foods on jamiet
question about roleblock + thinking about bussers
comment no time, wants to target bb or rd if he dies, again

at least he is consistent anti jamiet and tries to buddy flood (I guess), the comment on his post seems to have some thought put behind it. But still with this less (I would say 'much' but it isn't), he feels nonexistent and has no impact on how the game goes for town.

If you can determine with this volume that he is town, why haven't you already solved the whole game?

I wish I had a crystal ball and could know maniac’s alignment. I just don’t think maniac not playing much isn’t as scummy as HB’s fakeness and damo’s lack of investigation and his focus on darg more than anything else (my opinion)

maybe, probably, but I have something against lurkers, not being much help, that might be a big part of it. Why then not yav or others you might ask? well I just have so much time and so much votes. Also a mafia-maniac getting unchecked into late game is something I'm more afraid than damo or hamilton, since maniac has more ... what's the word in english ... streetcred? and can turn around things. Also if maniac is town it would be quite helpful if he did something and he maybe just needs the right motivation.

[Kakarroto]

that's my main reason why I think there might be one lying about being roleblocked.

Also, if scum got a gun, optimal play seems to hold it for late game... no?

Yes, so if you believe this then do you think we should look at who Vecna was obv!towning?

depending on his colour list and shades of green:
Vecna (harr harr)
worcej
brainbomb
Kakarroto
foodcoats

yellowshading:
yavuzovic
ghug
rdrivera2005
Chaqa

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so food, worcej, did any of you got a gun? do you want to reveal it if you got one?

did you get one brain?

@Vecna did you get a gun? you had the greenest shade of shades.

did any of you post anything that would indicate to shoot one on the yellow list?

[brainbomb]

I had promised to shoot bona if given a gun
bona is still alive
I did not get a gun

[brainbomb]

optimal play for scum with a gun is to shoot your own scum buddy and try to get cred. shoot your own driver. yea

[Kakarroto]

Maniac (6)
yavuzovic rdrivera2005 Jamiet99uk Chaqa damo666 Kakarroto
celaph (4)
ghug foodcoats dargorygel Bonatogether

hmm ... not that I especially dislike the people on maniac, the people on celaph are quite more sexier overall, and celaph didn't answer my question on post #2530 on page 127 yet, and bona wanted competetive wagons, so let's see where that brings us

##vote celaph

[Kakarroto]

I had promised to shoot bona if given a gun
bona is still alive
I did not get a gun

do you think it's a mistake to make the wagon bona likes happen?