MAFIA 66: The Battle for Olympus - Game Thread [hidden]

[worcej]

Fuck it - now I am going to be a thumb warrior for a bit instead of sleeping more.

[ghug]

If I'm scum, why do I join a second tiny wagon with RHK in the lead instead of bussing or trying to push one of the bigger counterwagons?

Well I know you don't like bussing. And maybe you thought that we'd be able to stir up enough momentum, and brain was convenient because you'd been shading him? It's technically possible kak and Hamilton are both scum but I really doubt it. You hadn't been scumreading them, so maybe you thought it would look too sketchy to join one of their wagons? Maybe you just thought you could imitate your town game by trying to get the brain wagon going?

You're moving from "here's why ghug is scum" to "here's how ghug could be scum".

[ghug]

Oh, I think I see what you meant. I read the line that I highlighted as saying that you thought that all his scum takes were correct takes.

Right, and I re-read it and thought that I was unclear. Right...the only group who's takes are 100% are scum.

No scum is ever going to list perfect reads though lol

Tell that to Chaqa.

[ghug]

##VOTE celaph

Why?

Vïbes

[Chaqa]

I'm at least 69% sure everyone that's super involved in this discussion is town and mafia are just sitting back twiddling their thumbs.

[worcej]

My innocent investigation is not as nice as it might appear.
a) driver could have messed me up, and given me the scan on someone else.
b) the person I investigated, if the ww, would result in an inno.
c) and obviously, could be a godfather.

Pretty sure you would know if your result was impacted by the driver.

Why though?
"Driver:
You are the DRIVER. Each day you must vote for a suspect. Each night, you may visit TWO other players player by PM'ing the GM’s with the order ##DRIVE <NAME> AND <NAME>. Any actions performed on player one will be transferred onto player two, and vice versa. They will not be notified of your visit. At night you can talk to the other Mafia in the Mafia QT at <LINK>. You win when the Werewolf and all of the Town have been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from happening."

And even if notified, he wouldn't be the one swapped. He would investigate A and driver would swap A and B.

On mobile atm, but the google document said that if someone was driven and a PR targetted them, the PR would know that their result was driven because it would say it for the driven target.

[rdrivera2005]

Where did I said I made a case? In fact I didn´t build any case at all, which isn´t great but at least I am not fabricating things as you are.

I just said I have my own reads because you were accusing me of parroting other people.

I felt like you were implying it, and if I put words in your mouth, then I'll retract.

Are there any reads you can expand on?

I don´t see much to expand. I was scumreading you on D1 because you seem to be just floating, I don´t have this feeling today so you are down my scumlist.

Damo I already explained and I don´t like the way he seems to be preparing to jump into any easy wagon today.

Maniac is my current vote mostly because of the gun, I don´t have a feel for Worcej being the target.

I was scumreading Ghug but Dargo scan granted him at least some time.

I am starting to consider Jamiet as possibly scum, but I don´t know if scum Jamiet will push Dargo this way if Dargo is town.

On the town side, I still feel good about Brain, Kgray, Chaqa and Food.

[worcej]

I'm at least 69% sure everyone that's super involved in this discussion is town and mafia are just sitting back twiddling their thumbs.

I’m 420% sure that this was just an attempt to use the number 69 constructively.

[Chaqa]

Don't shoot/DK:
- Bona
- Brain
- Celaph
- Dargo
- Food
- Ghug
- Brian
- Kakarot

Maybe shoot/DK:
- Damo
- Jamie
- Kgray
- Rivera
- Worcej

Preferred shoot/DK:
- Flum
- Macca
- Maniac
- Yavu

[worcej]

I'm at least 69% sure everyone that's super involved in this discussion is town and mafia are just sitting back twiddling their thumbs.

non-troll comment: I disagree with this because recency bias via appearing to be trying and contributing is a good way to avoid the good old ‘lets kill a lurker’ ploy

[foodcoats]

Re-reading D1,

Probably the most solid thing I can glean from the interactions with Demon D1 is that Demon spent a chunk of his effort to scumread bona - but this was in a context where Bona was already being scumread. I would strongly townread Bona on this basis, that he was scumread by town and so an actual scum tried to push him.

I also saw that Chaqa's progression on Demon seems natural, even though it was at the periphery of his iso. I think Chaqa picked up on the same thing a few others did, that RHK was in a groove that resembled his other scum play. kgray reacted similarly. I think Chaqa and kgray look solidly town in the way they evolved to RHK.

Scumwise, I don't feel nearly so sure, but I feel like there's something off with the way Hamilton Brian and Celaph interact with and were interacted with by Demon. Those two look suspicious to me, although I can't peg it down very well. HB has a sort of lapping-at-the-edges with Demon, discussing Demon via intermediaries, and celaph is a target of a scumread by Demon when Demon says that celaph would be scum if Bona is. Celaph reacts sulkily to Demon and says he's "tempted" to join the Demon wagon, even though celaph doesn't seem like a bitter-type.

Both celaph and HB would be good wagons, and I see celaph already has two votes, so let's see!

##VOTE celaph

So scum celaph voted for scumDemon when scumDemon and townBona were 3-3. Why would he do that?

Maybe he thought he could get off the train. It was almost three hours to go. Anyone smart playing scum has to go to the edge sometimes, sooner the better. Also he and bona were buddies, he couldn’t vote bona.

I do agree that this is the tricky part, celaph made a single vote on RHK and never moved. But I’ve found celaph’s iso scummy for a while. This could easily have been a misplay where he never found his way out.

[Chaqa]

Re-reading D1,

Probably the most solid thing I can glean from the interactions with Demon D1 is that Demon spent a chunk of his effort to scumread bona - but this was in a context where Bona was already being scumread. I would strongly townread Bona on this basis, that he was scumread by town and so an actual scum tried to push him.

I also saw that Chaqa's progression on Demon seems natural, even though it was at the periphery of his iso. I think Chaqa picked up on the same thing a few others did, that RHK was in a groove that resembled his other scum play. kgray reacted similarly. I think Chaqa and kgray look solidly town in the way they evolved to RHK.

Scumwise, I don't feel nearly so sure, but I feel like there's something off with the way Hamilton Brian and Celaph interact with and were interacted with by Demon. Those two look suspicious to me, although I can't peg it down very well. HB has a sort of lapping-at-the-edges with Demon, discussing Demon via intermediaries, and celaph is a target of a scumread by Demon when Demon says that celaph would be scum if Bona is. Celaph reacts sulkily to Demon and says he's "tempted" to join the Demon wagon, even though celaph doesn't seem like a bitter-type.

Both celaph and HB would be good wagons, and I see celaph already has two votes, so let's see!

##VOTE celaph

So scum celaph voted for scumDemon when scumDemon and townBona were 3-3. Why would he do that?

Maybe he thought he could get off the train. It was almost three hours to go. Anyone smart playing scum has to go to the edge sometimes, sooner the better. Also he and bona were buddies, he couldn’t vote bona.

I do agree that this is the tricky part, celaph made a single vote on RHK and never moved. But I’ve found celaph’s iso scummy for a while. This could easily have been a misplay where he never found his way out.

Maybe celaph is the WW?

[foodcoats]

I'm at least 69% sure everyone that's super involved in this discussion is town and mafia are just sitting back twiddling their thumbs.

Macca, Maniac and Jamiet. Hmmmmmm.

[foodcoats]

I'm at least 69% sure everyone that's super involved in this discussion is town and mafia are just sitting back twiddling their thumbs.

Macca, Maniac and Jamiet. Hmmmmmm.

To improve on HB’s post from yesterday, one of these is guaranteed evil.

[Chaqa]

A thought for anyone scumreading kakarot:

With the Inventor flip, why in god's name would scum!Kak even reveal he had a gun? He would just pop someone ASAP and we'd have no clue who did it.

[kgray]

FWIW I will only vote from the following:

Yav
rdr
Karrot
Macca
worcej
Chaqa

Why this list?

[worcej]

I'm at least 69% sure everyone that's super involved in this discussion is town and mafia are just sitting back twiddling their thumbs.

Macca, Maniac and Jamiet. Hmmmmmm.

I am concerned the reads on Jamie are solely based on his lack of posting compared to meta.

I don’t have any strong vibes on him, but I am actively trying not to compare to meta and this comes up.

[brainbomb]

@Brain - stop trying to be a damn pump man for a kpop boy band.

This phase is literally dominated by mechanics and it won’t go away until they are dealt with.

@Kak - fire the gun. Do it at me for all I care if it will make town actually try. These damn ‘hey everyone I got a gun, let me dominate the narrative of the game’ plays are dumb. Your scum points are rather high if you ask me.

HB is just being bad. He is using OMGUS as a method to participate, which I personally think is him cloaking the fact he is meh scum.

I mean the past person who kept associating me with kpop and boy bands was DemonRHK. it made no sense then and it doesnt seem like it makes sense now

[Chaqa]

I'm at least 69% sure everyone that's super involved in this discussion is town and mafia are just sitting back twiddling their thumbs.

Macca, Maniac and Jamiet. Hmmmmmm.

To improve on HB’s post from yesterday, one of these is guaranteed evil.

I'm hesitant to pop Jamie because the town RB'er could tell us if he roleblocked damo or Jamie. If he roleblocked damo, we know Jamie is town.

[foodcoats]

@Kakorroto

I know I said don’t listen to anyone but shooting a lurker is best value.