MAFIA 66: The Battle for Olympus - Game Thread [hidden]

[kgray]

darg is unccd with an inno scan and was not even rbd

Yeah and darg jumped the gun on a fake claim when I was scum with him.

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YEET THAT YEAST

##VOTE dargorygel

When was this?

[Hamilton Brian]

Will somebody talk to me about worcej? I think he's contributed nothing to this game besides starting drama and I think he's scum, but I also am suspicious that my emotions are getting in the way.
I think worcej is scum, but I can't recall my exact reason off the top of my head. I'll check my notes and get back to you.

I think Hamilton is remarkably nonchalant about kak's gun and I can't decide whether that's townie or if there's something more behind it.

Honestly, K, I just don't understand the gun and I haven't taken the time to read up on it.

I legitimately think ghug is scum.

And why ghug? They've been a townread for me for a good part of the game.

I had a gross feeling that food's been trying to set me up, but he's not harping on it as much as I originally thought he would be.

I know I shouldn't post replies in quotes but I just wanted to address each point.

[kgray]

Jump in the mix with me HB, HAMMER DAT SCUMMY BOI.

Yeah, not sure. I'm pretty game to the Celaph wagon too. I am trying to connect the dots to understand brain's wholehearted conviction that Celaph is scum. My sheeping is pretty blatant.

But my ambivalence to Flum would be the counter to me joining that Celaph wagon. I trust brain, don't trust flum.

However, both jamie and food are town reads of mine. Sheeping them makes Darg a reasonable vote.

You said you were going to start making your own cases. Who do *you* think is scummiest?

[kgray]

If kak shoots darg without waiting for darg to reveal his scan he can die immediately btw.

[Hamilton Brian]

But kak either has a gun, or he’s scum. I already was scumreading him, so this vote makes sense to me. If he shoots someone, I’ll move my vote, likely. Although vecna MIGHT have accidentally gunned up a scum.

##VOTE kakarroto

Was considering this as well. It's a ploy or it's true. I've equivocated on Kak this whole game. Times I've thought them townie, times it's seemed not-town, so they're still a hard null...unfortunately.

[kgray]

Ok… in for a vote.

Some general observations. Not organized as reads… but there is a chance I’m going to be the target of kak’s gun. (See below) so here’s my comments.

I am not excited about maniac’s lack of involvement. Again, though, I think maniac is a better player than to lurk THIS much as scum. Maybe ww, I suppose. But even so, lately we’ve been more harsh on lurkers. I don’t see him doing this.

I think Jamie, as scum, would not press against me so much. I’m agonna die. He would let it happen. I feel similarly about food.

Both Jamie and brain are squabbling with each other, and reading each other in the worst possible light. Which makes me lean town on both of them.

The suspicions about celaph are valid. His posts are agreeable, nodding across the table from whomever is speaking.

I could vote for bona, still. Kgray is drawing attention to herself with her hurt feelings, which I don’t think she’d do as scum.

Ghug is solvey.

The rest haven’t stood out to me.

But kak either has a gun, or he’s scum. I already was scumreading him, so this vote makes sense to me. If he shoots someone, I’ll move my vote, likely. Although vecna MIGHT have accidentally gunned up a scum.

##VOTE kakarroto

I don't know what darg is like as scum but this screams town to me.

[Hamilton Brian]

You said you were going to start making your own cases. Who do *you* think is scummiest?

Worcej stands out to me due to some brushing off of commenter's concerns, jumping on, if not creating (don't recall), a wagon of me and never moving off of it, and just a general cheese factor.

[kgray]

Will somebody talk to me about worcej? I think he's contributed nothing to this game besides starting drama and I think he's scum, but I also am suspicious that my emotions are getting in the way.
I think worcej is scum, but I can't recall my exact reason off the top of my head. I'll check my notes and get back to you.

I think Hamilton is remarkably nonchalant about kak's gun and I can't decide whether that's townie or if there's something more behind it.

Honestly, K, I just don't understand the gun and I haven't taken the time to read up on it.

I legitimately think ghug is scum.

And why ghug? They've been a townread for me for a good part of the game.

I had a gross feeling that food's been trying to set me up, but he's not harping on it as much as I originally thought he would be.

I know I shouldn't post replies in quotes but I just wanted to address each point.

ghug is mostly gut and deep-seeded trust issues. I think he's saying the right things a bit too much, and is avoiding making an impression. I'm not getting the solvey vibes others are apparently getting because I think most of what he's said was piggy-backing off of others' reads.

And D1 I really didn't like how he went from his lazy push on Maniac to joining me on brain when Demon was the lead wagon, and then he just disappeared for the rest of the phase. I especially don't like how he's been emphasizing that there must have been bussers on the Demon wagon when he actively avoided it himself.

[Hamilton Brian]

You said you were going to start making your own cases. Who do *you* think is scummiest?

Worcej stands out to me due to some brushing off of commenter's concerns, jumping on, if not creating (don't recall), a wagon of me and never moving off of it, and just a general cheese factor.

Also, there's this sense that they are creating the argument to justify Vecna's NK, based on "quality of the scum players." Again, just seems like an arbitrary approach and a holding-hands-up "look gang, it wasn't me involved." And the fake-iness of the entry into D2.

I'll join you on that wagon.

##Vote worcej

[kgray]

You said you were going to start making your own cases. Who do *you* think is scummiest?

Worcej stands out to me due to some brushing off of commenter's concerns, jumping on, if not creating (don't recall), a wagon of me and never moving off of it, and just a general cheese factor.

Also, there's this sense that they are creating the argument to justify Vecna's NK, based on "quality of the scum players." Again, just seems like an arbitrary approach and a holding-hands-up "look gang, it wasn't me involved." And the fake-iness of the entry into D2.

I'll join you on that wagon.

##Vote worcej

lmao and I forgot about how ready he was with that "look I didn't kill xorxes that one time" line.

[brainbomb]

Ill join the worcej train. I thought he was alot more towny at gamestart but I dont think he has been fired up, he feels quite similar to how he was as scum with me last game

##Vote worcej

[Hamilton Brian]

Ill join the worcej train. I thought he was alot more towny at gamestart but I dont think he has been fired up, he feels quite similar to how he was as scum with me last game

##Vote worcej

Worcej weighs more to you than Celaph right now? How come?

[damo666]

I’m not great at mechanics... if I’m reading the setup right, if there were two RBs shouldn’t one have been a jailing?

Where you getting that from?

Sorry, I’m a bit wrong, but...

In every setup with a town RB there is a Jailer.

I assume Vecna could not be jailed and killed. And Vecna was not RBd if both damo and Jamie were indeed RBd.

So the Jailer either held, or jailed town who is mum, or jailed the wolf, or the messages are not different.

Not sure if relevant. It’s just... someone was probably jailed, right? Maybe scum now know who the WW is.

Why don't you read the set up?

[Hamilton Brian]

Still not a fan of Yav either. That D1 is cringe-y.

[Maniac]

This may be a stupid question but do Mafia have a roleblock?

Also for those looking for a D1 busser, sure a busser could exist. The vote count at the end was DemonRHK 7, Kak 4, HB 3, so unless Kak and HB are scum then DemonRHK gets saved if there are two scum on his wagon.

So assuming 0 or 1 busser we have scum on demonRHK could be 1/6

And non-bussers mafia are 3 from the remaining twelve players. Much more chance of finding scum here even if we throw a dart.

We can find any bussers later.

I'm aware that you'll all think I'm saying this to save myself, but you should all know it makes sense. Ask yourselves what you'll do if I flip town? Will you keep going through DemonRHK voters?

[Hamilton Brian]

This may be a stupid question but do Mafia have a roleblock?

Factional roleblock, but it also comes up in the Factional kill discussion.

The mafia have access to a FACTIONAL KILL ability. They may vote to send any mafia-aligned player to kill any other player at night. They may NOT send the same player to perform both factional abilities. However, they MAY vote for a mafia-aligned player to be a “backup” killer, in case the initial player sent to perform the kill is roleblocked. If they also send the backup killer to perform the roleblock, then the kill will take priority over the roleblock, unless they vote otherwise in the QT. They will still not be able to send the same player to perform both factional abilities.

In addition to their factional kill ability, the mafia also have access to a FACTIONAL ROLEBLOCK. They may vote to send any mafia-aligned player to perform either of these actions in their QT at night, in addition to any of their individual role abilities. They may NOT send the same player to perform both factional abilities. If a player is roleblocked by the Mafia Factional Roleblock, any action they perform that night will fail. They will be informed they were roleblocked.

[Hamilton Brian]

And non-bussers mafia are 3 from the remaining twelve players. Much more chance of finding scum here even if we throw a dart.

So what do you think about this group of non-Vecna voters? Brainbomb, Damo (who rested on Kak all day), Darg, ghug, jamie, kak, macca, rdr, worcej, Yav, and myself

[brainbomb]

I keep seeing celaph reading and seldom ever saying anything. I dont feel as inclined to get rid of celaph with urgency as I do a desire to get a wagon that combines my concerns with a consensus I can understand. I would be hard pressed to find two people I am on the same page with more than kgray or you hamilton

[brainbomb]

my trust in foodcoats is pretty much gone entirely.

[brainbomb]

maniac actually seems okay to me