MAFIA 66: The Battle for Olympus - Game Thread [hidden]

[yavuzovic]

I agree with Jamie that Dargo's claims sound like a bad strategy but it's even worse as scum. I don't think it's scummy.

I'm fine with HB, brainbomb and rdrivera2005 but for now, I will ##vote Maniac

[foodcoats]

So either:
1. Dargo didn’t know this because he isn’t the cop or
2. Dargo didn’t know this because he didn’t read the setup

We know he has to read the setup for his council role.

So darg is lying about being cop?

Could still be godfather or wolf, but it’s strange darg doesn’t want the town to help decide.

[Jamiet99uk]

##GM note: I am mildly annoyed you forced me to spend time working out how to format endvotes. I was just about to post this and everything.

When I am GM-ing, I usually do it like this:

dargorygel (2): Jamiet99uk(END), foodcoats

[rdrivera2005]

hmm, it's 1:45 a.m. at jamiet right now and he isn't that much of a nightowl as I, so I think he is sleeping. rd should be around ... 22:45 p.m. or something like that, that sounds like a time he could be around

so anything you want to say right now rd?

Yesterday was a holiday here in Brasil, so I went to my Brother's house to a barbecue (I haven't seen him in the last three months due to the pandemic, he lives 100 Km from me).
Was too tired to check the game when I got back. In fact I checked what happened at night (RIP Vecna) but have too much to read and gave up.
Now I am still 10 pages back.

[foodcoats]

I just generally don't think bussing a teammate day 1 when it isn't necessary is a good play, and I think all of the potential bussers are good players, so I don't think it happened.

Yeah this is a good point. Only kgray and Maniac look like bussers and kgray looks town if you look at the broader activity. Shooting Maniac is top values.

[foodcoats]

darg is unccd with an inno scan and was not even rbd

I think this means that we have a watcher (or darg is mafia). Otherwise, you're right that he's the obvious rb target.

There can be a Watcher and a Ninja, though. So scum don’t have to be so afraid of the Watcher.

[foodcoats]

Darg, you should reveal that information at some point so we don’t risk wasting the day DKing your inno scan, but no rush.

He should only reveal if the target is a top wagon or he worries that he's going to be killed.

No. No!!! We should not give a possible scum more time to come up with a lie. There is literally NO benefit to darg not revealing. None.

[foodcoats]

##END

Give it up darg.

[rdrivera2005]

So, here's some general precepts I've got right now to think about this:
1. The RHK voters are *most likely* mostly town. I would imagine if a bus occurred at all, it was Maniac or kgray, based on the lateness of Maniac's vote and kgray leaving and coming back. I don't think celaph or food are bussing there.
2. I think Kakarot is town, based on him being a counterwagon to RHK. I had thought his voters were scummy, but it seems like Dargo is good, and brain seems town enough. Damo could be cleared *IFF we find out for sure he was roleblocked by scum and not a town RBer.

Putting this together, I think the most likely people to be scum are in the group that isn't mentioned above. That leaves, to me:
- Yavu
- Worcej
- Rivera
- ghug
- Hamilton
- Jamiet
- Macca

If possible, I think Kak should shoot one of these group (since with Darg re-claiming I don't think we should jump to flip him yet) or maybe Maniac, since I'm pretty sure he's scum.

Would everyone agree that, *generally*, that's a good list to look in? I know after the game where ghug, Bozo, and Durga bussed day 1, we're all a bit scarred, but it feels like that didn't happen here given how close the wagons were. If scum were on RHK, they could easily have moved to a different wagon without much backlash and gotten Kak, HB, or even brainbomb killed.

Even with me included in the list, I think your list is good for putting a bullet into one of us.

Yes, I have this same thought. This is a solid list for either a gun shot or for DK specially if it includes Maniac.

[brainbomb]

rivera did you expect darg to die

[dargorygel]

So either:
1. Dargo didn’t know this because he isn’t the cop or
2. Dargo didn’t know this because he didn’t read the setup

We know he has to read the setup for his council role.

So darg is lying about being cop?

Could still be godfather or wolf, but it’s strange darg doesn’t want the town to help decide.

I am VERY willing to have town help me decide. As I have said in my proposal.

[dargorygel]

@Jamie
It hinges on the fact that I was going to be gone all afternoon. The momentum felt, on my read, to be heading my way.

But if you are right, why would I do this as scum? That wouldn't make any sense either.

I WILL do what town wants. Of course, some of you aren't town. So can y'all give me a consensus?

Someone (I don't recall who) wrote that I should reveal if the person I investigated is a lead wagon. That makes sense.

[brainbomb]

I dont see how it benefits us to not know

[dargorygel]

I dont see how it benefits us to not know

That is sort of where I am, too, brain.

The ONLY reason is that it draws a target on the back of someone who I THINK is town. So it might sacrifice another PR.

[Kakarroto]

Ahh that’s a good catch about there likely being a grognard in the scumteam to orchestrate Vecna.

You forgot the name worcej though.

What’s a GY?

GY = Graveyard. I am working 4:45 PM to 5:30 AM, sleeping from ~6:00 AM until ~2:00 PM.

I am in my office at work right now.

In regards to scumming me for the Vecna kill reasoning, remember I'm the asshole that purposely pushed to keep xorxes into lylo because I knew his ego would not allow him to work with BB and damo and I would sneak the win out as scum. I personally love keeping good players alive for as along as possible since they draw suspicion from people simply by existing into later stages of games.

Oooh, rough. I worked overnights for a while and it was the strangest experience, I always felt high.

I townread you, just whammin the ham.

I love working at night, makes me feel alive and productive, but I'm also a nightowl

[Kakarroto]

Hi
First RIP vecna.

Second... I did believe (and still do) that I was heading for the death-room when I announced my claim. I cross posted (literally) vecna and kgray discussing making a switch, or i would have taken my chances.

I imagined everyone screaming cursings at me for not claiming when it became clear that I was going to be DKed. So i announced.

It obviously didn't turn out that way, but I think it would have.

BUT
I unclaimed for one purpose... hoping to give the scummies and wolfie just enough reason to doubt. 'specially the wolf.

I prefered scum to kill me than the wolf.

So... what to do now.

I do sincerely hope for another night to investigate someone.

I investigated someone, obviously, last night and came up with a result that the person is sided with town.

Which makes it not as good, but of SOME value.

I don't recommend kak's gun being used to shoot me. It's a waste. Wait till a time when there are two goodly wagons, and shoot the lead moments before EoD.

But I would not like to waste all day while people argue about which time I lied.

So... if you are going to kill me... vote and hammer. If the hammer starts getting close (tell me a safe number) I will announce my investigation, and you can at least gain that.

The danger, I suppose, is if the hammer starts, and gets within room of scum jumping on, you won't get my result. But you WILL get whoever jumps.

OR... we can ask everyone if they AGREE with the hammer, I will announce when enough people indicate they WILL hammer.

Got a better plan?

I DID expect to be killed last night. I hoped the wolf would try and would guess wrong. But I don't receive notice of a failed wolf attempt.

I was not saved, or blocked, or anything.

I totally missed this.

What’s the rationale of not revealing the ostensible town clear?

I can think of some good reasoning, but I don't want to take away the opportunity for dargo to say it

[brainbomb]

can you describe the demographic you were scanning in? why scan someone you thought had a high odds of being PR?

[Kakarroto]

Normally I'd make a new thread for this, but whenever I'm in a mafia game I kind of treat it as a shitposting general thread because I like it that way.

Does anyone have any country recommendations to move to, to avoid getting arrested for accidental tax fraud?

The Congo

switzerland (I think)

[Kakarroto]

In other non-mafia game news, pretty sure Yavuz was featured in today's TommyK's HOI4 video. That was neat to see.

I don't understand what this means

oh, I didn't see your original post, I was suggested his videos some weeks (or months?) ago, even when I don't play HOI4 they are nice from time to time (or when he watches some videos)

[Kakarroto]

hmm, it's 1:45 a.m. at jamiet right now and he isn't that much of a nightowl as I, so I think he is sleeping. rd should be around ... 22:45 p.m. or something like that, that sounds like a time he could be around

so anything you want to say right now rd?

Yesterday was a holiday here in Brasil, so I went to my Brother's house to a barbecue (I haven't seen him in the last three months due to the pandemic, he lives 100 Km from me).
Was too tired to check the game when I got back. In fact I checked what happened at night (RIP Vecna) but have too much to read and gave up.
Now I am still 10 pages back.

urk, I know how that feels when you don't have time, but try to catch up soon, the more info we got from you, the better for town