MAFIA 66: The Battle for Olympus - Game Thread [hidden]

[kgray]

kgray decided along with Jamie that my end hammer on bona was me faking trying to be my town meta

kgray thought my push on kak was scummy

otherwise Kgray gave me a pass early on voting bona but refused to give dargo or foodcoats a pass in that same instance

It wasn't the same instance, though. You weren't voting for Bona because you thought he was defending Macca, and they were.

The part I didn't like about your kak push was you saying it was good to go after him because he was gone. I don't see how that should factor in at all, especially not in a yes-kill-him way.

[dargorygel]

Does it seem like kgray is reading, looking mostly for references to herself?

[Hamilton Brian]

So as I catchup, does scum Demon be so bold to include scum partners in their Brainbomb movie? Probably taking two equitable players they know aren't scum and including them for shits and giggles.

Effects of inclusion of brain and jamie in that if:

a) one of the two is scum?
b) both are scum?
c) neither are scum?

I just think Demon thinks they're not going to get killed this early so no harm in making the inclusion. I feel like we're looking at option c and both are town. I'll go forward with that mindset unless I see something in further reading.

Can you explain your conclusion more? If you thought there's no harm in Demon making the inclusion either way, why do you decide C is the most likely scenario?

Good question; nice way to get me to get out of my own head and try to be more clear. Perhaps Demon assumes they're not on the block...option a, keeps them both clear and if it goes awry, the third person is implicated by association. Option b...hmm, not as good as option a because it doesn't result in a miskill. Option c...keeps us tunnelling them, possibly excluding real scum, but it's a gamble of putting something out there that gets lost in all of the other noise. If it works as it was intended, good for scum. If it gets lost, no harm in that either.

However, to my thinking, both jamie and brain are town.

Does that help at all?

[brainbomb]

if a scum player isnt online to fake claim a PR, and we get to kill that person, id take that offer 19 times out of 10.

I happened to be pushing a thought no one else shared, and apoarently people think absence is towny even though he said he would miss eods in pregame.


part of my reasoning was upping the ante and playing with fire there

[kgray]

I'm struggling to understand exactly how/why we got scum on Day 1. It makes me think scum just plain wasn't online and that could be interesting information in itself. Makes people like Macca, Flum, Jamiet, worcej, etc. look bad to me.

I think the Kakarot wagon was scum's preferred counter (based on RHK's vote) so that also makes me suspicious of the people on that wagon (though atm I assume Dargo is the cop).

I actually think Demon choosing kak over Hamilton makes it more likely that scum were on Hamilton at the time, not kak, because Demon may have thought his teammates would move to save him. They can't do that if they're already on kak.

[brainbomb]

I accept that I was denounced publicly by you and chaqa for proposing a kakarrotto elim when he wouldnt be on to defend himself. and frankly I dont see why we need to help players who arent going to be on. half the game wasnt on.

[brainbomb]

I get that I lost the argument. shouldnt have turned me into a 3 wagon

[Hamilton Brian]

What about Vecna wanting people off of food was suspicious? How was that more suspicious than brain or ghug also discouraging food's wagon?

Regarding your first question, I hope this post from me answering brainbomb clears up my thinking: http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g= ... d=w:234698

Regarding question 2, I paid more attention to Vecna's push since they addressed me directly. You raise a good counterpoint so it's me probably seeing a tree and not the forest.

[kgray]

i havent gotten to vecna yet but I imagine he very strongly tried to excuse DemonRHK playing video games instead of solving

I really dont get this argument. Just because I like the games he mentioned, doesnt mean I "excused his play" or whatever logic you wanna push.

Me, food and Kgray are the main pushers of the RHK wagon, starting early. You kept talking about him, but never ever voted him.

So, inward eye and all that.

Oh yeah, food and kgray are the main RHK pushers. Sure.

Food voted RHK in response to my sus:

See my last post on food,

RHK it's more nebulous but he has a weird lurker playstyle as scum I'm seeing here.

Join hands
Make the circle
Bind it
Send it back to the Hell

##VOTE DemonRHK

Vecna, why are you just straight up being a revisionist historian?

Sure, but it took you 2 hours to join the Demon wagon after food started it... It's not like you were really pushing it.

[Chaqa]

I really dont get this argument. Just because I like the games he mentioned, doesnt mean I "excused his play" or whatever logic you wanna push.

Me, food and Kgray are the main pushers of the RHK wagon, starting early. You kept talking about him, but never ever voted him.

So, inward eye and all that.

Oh yeah, food and kgray are the main RHK pushers. Sure.

Food voted RHK in response to my sus:

Join hands
Make the circle
Bind it
Send it back to the Hell

##VOTE DemonRHK

Vecna, why are you just straight up being a revisionist historian?

Sure, but it took you 2 hours to join the Demon wagon after food started it... It's not like you were really pushing it.

I was, I don’t need to be voting for someone to push something. You guys get too worried about the road and not the result. I pushed a lot of people: Macca, Demon, you (kgray), Food, Maniac. Just because I’m not voting for someone doesn’t mean I’m not pushing them

[Chaqa]

Besides, any wagon with steam on it early in the day is unlikely to keep it. If you really want someone to get flipped, start/expand the wagon late.

[brainbomb]

you do realize if we accept you making that defense; we would have to assume everyone who ever voted rhk or mentioned rhk was just like you

[ghug]

FROM THE MAF QT

Hades: *evil laughter* I have devised a plan to use our driver to make it impossible to save dargoflargo. He will be devoured!!!

bonatogether: Im not sure dargo is our best target. his posts have been mostly NAI so far.

Krakken: Muahahaha this town will suffer and die. Release me! I will devour these mortal imbeciles.

bonatogether: Im not sure we should release you yet. your posts have mostly been NAI.

Skeletor: We ran out of greek bad guys so I am here as well. By the power of greyskull bitch.

bonatogether: This doesnt fit with greek canon. Too NAI for my liking

The Kraken isn't Greek either, brain.

[Vecna]

Why do people say this?

It was demonstrably proven false last time this came up.

probably because all you did last game as scum was deathtunnel your teammate kgray

That's not bussing, though.

it is if youre voting there. Whether people join in is completely besides the point

[ghug]

how much bread can one acquire in this hades you speak of

I wanna say zero, but there might be some exception im forgetting about

Vecna continues to avoid the fact RHK said something potentialy scummy and focuses instead on the funny parts only

Why are you so fucking obsessed with the bread?

[kgray]

Does it seem like kgray is reading, looking mostly for references to herself?

I'm quite self-absorbed, but again, I don't see how my character flaws have anything to do with my alignment.

[Vecna]

@Vecna - care to respond to my post about who the "primary advocates" or whatver you said for the RHK wagon were?

You're either lying or misrepresenting facts for some reason

pretty sure i did

[ghug]

Bona's early argument of wanting more nulls over reads had me leery of him early. The quote wall be edited stinks of trying to get people to take their word for it and handwave off people questioning it. Also, one of (if not the stroingest) townread I have at the moment is on the wagon. (And hammering, but brain uses hammers like macca uses exclamation points)

If you had read it, you would have noticed that I was actually arguing that brain's supposed towntell on Macca wasn't actually real and that their opening post was NAI. Lots of other people picked up on this pretty easily, so I don't see how you could've honestly misinterpreted that conversation.

town points for bona

Seconded.

[Chaqa]

you do realize if we accept you making that defense; we would have to assume everyone who ever voted rhk or mentioned rhk was just like you

Is this directed at me?

I can’t speak to anyone else’s thoughts

[brainbomb]

From the Maf QT

European Union: its time for Greece to pay up

Jamiet99uk: but its my 40th birthday, cant I have more time

*2004 Olympic Venue crumbles to dust*

Vecna: Ceasar proclaims this place condemned