MAFIA 66: The Battle for Olympus - Game Thread [hidden]

[Chaqa]

I'm getting my second dose of Bill Gates microchip in a few hours, so I may be a bit MIA tonight and tomorrow. Here's my view atm:

Green->town
Orange->town or potential bussers
Red->scummy

Bonatogether
brainbomb
celaph
damo666
dargorygel
Fluminator
foodcoats
ghug
Hamilton Brian
Jamiet99uk
Kakarroto
kgray
Macca573
Maniac
rdrivera2005
Vecna
worcej
yavuzovic

I've explained most of these reads previously so no need to get into it again.

[Bonatogether]

Hamilton thinks he's cleared. I too don't think they both were mafia wagons and he probably is cleared. I think what he said is town indicative because it would be a bold statement from a mafia. Might as well be the werewolf.

I wonder about Maniac moving onto Hamilton Brian with three minutes to go. Didn't move to Kakarroto to tie, moved to HB... hmm...

Honestly it's very possible Kakarroto or HB are scum as well and that's why there wasn't more movement. Because I think with five scum you'd see an attempt to bolster a town wagon. The darg wagon was legit for a while and Kakarroto was not on at EOD, so his vote sitting on darg makes sense with him being scum and darg being the cop. But then, HB just sitting on brain? Was brain a viable wagon ever?

So I am thinking maybe Kakarroto is scum. His playful Chaotic-Good nature makes it difficult for me to view him as scum but the situation at EOD suggests maybe he was. At least, I think there were very possibly two scum wagons, and Kakarroto seems more likely than HB...

Heck maybe it's all three of 'em.

Maniac then moved to Demon as the final vote (but only after kgray put Demon way up)

A T-0:33, it was possible that the Demon wagon would have fallen apart for the brain wagon (5 for Demon vs 3 for brain), but it just didn't happen. Demon himself, the next vote, voted for Kak to be his counterwagon, so I don't think Kak can be scum here.

Kak just wasn't around iirc. Why would Demon make it SvS d1 in order to survive? Seems kinda dumb to me, although I'm interested by the interplay between brain pushing the Kak wagon "because he isn't around" and Demon voting him - could this be scum signalling that they needed to subtly move to Kak for a counterwagon?

[foodcoats]

I feel incredibly good about Bona.

Food coats and Macca rub me wrong.

Where’s Jamie?

RHK doing his normal scum thing too

Chaqa mentions RHK 5 times, calls him scum early. later votes for him and says choo choo. Chaqa was among the most ardent RHK voters and therefore chaqa looks very good

Well now, Chaqa loves to bus in my experience, so I’d actually argue this looks bad for Chaqa.

[Chaqa]

I really dont get this argument. Just because I like the games he mentioned, doesnt mean I "excused his play" or whatever logic you wanna push.

Me, food and Kgray are the main pushers of the RHK wagon, starting early. You kept talking about him, but never ever voted him.

So, inward eye and all that.

Oh yeah, food and kgray are the main RHK pushers. Sure.

Food voted RHK in response to my sus:

Join hands
Make the circle
Bind it
Send it back to the Hell

##VOTE DemonRHK

Vecna, why are you just straight up being a revisionist historian?

I dno man, I remember it differently. I worked pretty hard to get that boyo killed im im looking at it with my pretty rose tinted glasses (this is a Hades reference, because I know it triggers brainbomb).

Did you though?

Copy/paste URL: http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?us ... t=d1-&g=66

[Maniac]

There is some nonsense being said around my late voting.

When I checked in it was DemonRHK 5, Kak 4, HB 3

I voted to HB to see what if any that reaction would get. It didn’t get a reaction and so I switched to DemonRHK for no other reason than I like to make votes count. People thinking jumping on to the lead wagon with seconds to go is a bus really need to think if that is how scum would play.

[foodcoats]

Oh he wasn't active day 1 but hes active now after being a counterwagon to scum.
Kakarro is almost confirmed town

I was going to argue with you but Demon voted Kakarroto to tie at 4 so it seems unlikely Kak is scum after all.

[Chaqa]

I feel incredibly good about Bona.

Food coats and Macca rub me wrong.

Where’s Jamie?

RHK doing his normal scum thing too

Chaqa mentions RHK 5 times, calls him scum early. later votes for him and says choo choo. Chaqa was among the most ardent RHK voters and therefore chaqa looks very good

Well now, Chaqa loves to bus in my experience, so I’d actually argue this looks bad for Chaqa.

Why do people say this?

It was demonstrably proven false last time this came up.

[Bonatogether]

I reread all the major wagons (Demon, HB, Kak, and brain), and I rate them as such, towniest to least:
Demon (playing very subpar and his only vote has been unexplained in a real way)

##vote Demon

The reasoning for voting RHK is that he was playing sub par

this is actually NAI and does not definitively rule out bona as bussing out of annoyance

The reason was that he was the wagon I liked most, because he was playing so sub-par and it wasn't a dead vanity wagon.

[foodcoats]

Why the desire to make someone conf!town n1

I'm town so I like to try to identify other townies. I see you continue to dislike people trying to identify town, though. So you should be votekilled tomorrow because you're obvscum/wolf at this point.

There's a difference between townreading and conf!town that I believe you're ignoring in the hopes of sneaking a scum into the unquestionably towniness of conf!tonw.

Oh. Well, no. Like I told you before I’m linguistically imprecise and you clearly like very precise definitions. So it’s a waste of breath to argue this.

[foodcoats]

My guess would be 1 scum in those 6 and the rest unmentioned.

Just mind-gaming here, with this interaction, I'd peg RDR and HB as scum.

I am starting to feel offended on you believing I will play this badly as scum.

Or maybe you can coach me

Hustle now, hustle! Let’s go! LETS GOOOOOOOO!!!

[Bonatogether]

There is some nonsense being said around my late voting.

When I checked in it was DemonRHK 5, Kak 4, HB 3

I voted to HB to see what if any that reaction would get. It didn’t get a reaction and so I switched to DemonRHK for no other reason than I like to make votes count. People thinking jumping on to the lead wagon with seconds to go is a bus really need to think if that is how scum would play.

This feels like a very post-facto explanation - you had two naked votes at the time, one of which was on one of the major counterwagons, which is really strange, cause you evidently knew that he was a major wagon (so you were around for at least a bit), but you couldn't type up a reason during that bit of time? This is strange.

[brainbomb]

vecna what specifically made demonrhk become a scumread for you? I havent found why it occurred

[Bonatogether]

I'm town so I like to try to identify other townies. I see you continue to dislike people trying to identify town, though. So you should be votekilled tomorrow because you're obvscum/wolf at this point.

There's a difference between townreading and conf!town that I believe you're ignoring in the hopes of sneaking a scum into the unquestionably towniness of conf!town.

Oh. Well, no. Like I told you before I’m linguistically imprecise and you clearly like very precise definitions. So it’s a waste of breath to argue this.

Saying people are conf!town when they're really not is an active detriment to town. Please try to switch to townread or townlean. Overuse of conf!town gives scum cover.

[foodcoats]

Just mind-gaming here, with this interaction, I'd peg RDR and HB as scum.

I am starting to feel offended on you believing I will play this badly as scum.

Or maybe you can coach me

Hustle now, hustle! Let’s go! LETS GOOOOOOOO!!!

I just remembered, I think last time rdr was scum I recall him getting angry like this, “I’m offended you’re saying I’m playing bad” ploy. Hrm.

[foodcoats]

There's a difference between townreading and conf!town that I believe you're ignoring in the hopes of sneaking a scum into the unquestionably towniness of conf!town.

Oh. Well, no. Like I told you before I’m linguistically imprecise and you clearly like very precise definitions. So it’s a waste of breath to argue this.

Saying people are conf!town when they're really not is an active detriment to town. Please try to switch to townread or townlean. Overuse of conf!town gives scum cover.

Alright, I will do so.

[brainbomb]

it was ghug who accused macca of a scummy opening post. not me.

bona replied to ghug no its NAI and ghug accepted that answer without much discussion.

without fact checking ghug accepted it out of hand, this point is getting lost in the bona discussion that is all stemmed from macca as a fulcrum.

this looks very good for ghug actually

[kgray]

My best bet for a busser would be kgray

Why?

[Chaqa]

My best bet for a busser would be kgray

Why?

Early-ish vote on Demon, left the wagon, only to come back when it was somewhat inevitable and your only alternative was to tie it.

[kgray]

Maybe Maniac

I feel like there's probably one in the you/Vecna/Maniac/bona tier too.

Did bona try to tie the vote even once?

Hmm, I guess bona should be lumped more with kgray and Maniac based on timing.

I repeat the above, though. He actually broke two ties.

How are you coming up with these groups?

[kgray]

Well I think brain is being fake and I definitely don't think kak should be the counter wagon, so ##vote brain

I don't like the way Brain is posting but I don't think he is scum.

I do think HB is scum.

##vote Hamilton Brain
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I am also null on Demon and Kaka, not a big fan of Demons reads but it's probably OMGUS. But would probably choose him over Kaka if needed.

This is worrying. I know I also stayed on HB but it seems suspicious when rivera is doing that. And big scumpoints to brain if rivera is scum.

Why is Rivera doing it suspicious to you if you did the same thing...?