MAFIA 66: The Battle for Olympus - Game Thread [hidden]

[foodcoats]

celaph has big analytical posts? Are we reading the same game?

Examples below. They all strike me as something scum would write to seem active and hunty. They really don't seem very... authentic? And the fact that celaph is overall a low poster, not very reactive, sort of just comes in with these chunky beefs... it makes me think they're standing back from the keyboard, thinking very carefully, and then coming in with the non-committal-but-possibly-looks-good-at-a-quick-glance stuff.

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Based on my experience with scum!celaph, I disagree with your conclusion. He's never really a high poster and his activity and engagement here seems pretty standard town!celaph to me. When he was scum he just floated around doing literally nothing and I pretty easily caught him D1/D2. Here I see him making decent points and he's not just agreeing with whatever is being said.

Fair enough, good to have the meta on that point.

[Jamiet99uk]

Why would I want to increase my post count?

Because maybe you'd like to attempt to positively contribute to the game.

So far you have not done that. Literally all you've done is plonk an insincere vote on me and proclaim Foodcoats to be town for some unspecified reason.

[Jamiet99uk]

I'm going to ##Vote Maniac

Note 1: Today is my 40th birthday and I cannot promise that I am especially motivated to spend the evening of my 40th birthday in the company of you humanoids. Therefore I cannot promise to be around at EoD. However I think Maniac is a solid wagon at this point in time.

Happy 40th! I remember mine like yesterday.

Why are you voting Maniac? I assume that your early post of "Maniac is town" was...? Tongue in Cheek?

He wanted me to be angry about his vote so I was being syrupy and nice instead.

Clearly he had no actual reason to suspect me, as I had not posted when he cast the vote, so there's nothing else to say about his vote. It is not sincere.

[kgray]

I was more incensed by the fact I actually bothered to go back and look and bona just kept repeating it was NAI. it reminded me of when bona decided randomly that eliminating the talkative players was the best way to go. as scum he gets on his high horse about some really random talking point and he just repeats himself until you get tired of arguing.

I do think macca has a towntell. And I do think I unearthed it; however subtle it was. I believe I did this mostly using introductory posts where I showed macca almost always excited right away; other than M64 (a scum game) where they backloaded excitement into their opening post almost as an afterthought.

I was really struggling to see how you equated Bona here with his scum game, so I'm glad you brought this up. I can see that parallel but I'm not getting the same tone at all. I think when he was scum he seemed more cocky, more troll. Here he just seems frustrated to me.

[Jamiet99uk]

I am now happy to leave my vote on Maniac because:

1. He is being lazy,
2. and insincere,
c). his defence of Foodcoats is bizarre since simultaneously super emphatic yet also super vacuous,
4. if he remains the top wagon and is town, this will compel him to try.

[kgray]

Im starting to doubt kgray is town as well. mostly given the strange defenses of people calling scummy people sharp and scathing. plus kgray repeating she isnt good at mafia and that nobody actually fears her towngame. these statements although humble feel more like theyll be used to justify why shes not the nk this game

I could quote Bona's "sharp" posts but that seems like a waste of my time, and I don't believe in NK wifom so I wouldn't use it to justify scum not killing me.

[Jamiet99uk]

There is proof that these two are great at scum theater in the last game I ran.

I remember thinking they did a smashing job.

Thank you, Ghug.
That was a very interesting answer, Ghug.

Actually this is interesting.

Worcej appears to agree with Ghug's scumread on Kgray and talks up how good a scum player Kgray is, while at the same time Worcej is currently voting Hamilton because of how much he agreed with Kgray's suspicion of Hamilton.

@Worcej: You must assume Kgray was trying to bus Hamilton there, hmm?

I would like Worcej
to come back and
respond to this.

[Jamiet99uk]

@Ghug: Could you tell us more about why you scumread Kgray and Chaqa?

@Ghug

[brainbomb]

Im starting to doubt kgray is town as well. mostly given the strange defenses of people calling scummy people sharp and scathing. plus kgray repeating she isnt good at mafia and that nobody actually fears her towngame. these statements although humble feel more like theyll be used to justify why shes not the nk this game

I could quote Bona's "sharp" posts but that seems like a waste of my time, and I don't believe in NK wifom so I wouldn't use it to justify scum not killing me.

if it potentially changes my mind on bona wouldnt that be useful

[Hamilton Brian]

I think I am going to take a page out of Chaqa's book: If scum x is defending scum y, vote y first.

I'm drawing the line from jamie's thoughts on Maniac and their wholehearted weak foundation for why they're townreading food.

##Vote foodcoats

[Jamiet99uk]

Maniac, Ghug, Foodcoats or Beancomb would be good votes today.
Probably in that order.

##CALL GM - has BelCavendishNy been nudged? Is there a sub if needed?

[kgray]

##End

This seems fake to me.

[Jamiet99uk]

##End

This seems fake to me.

Agree. It literally looks like Brainbomb imitating the sort of thing Brainbomb would do.

[kgray]

I am still 6 pages behind and have to work.

My top scumreads now are Dargo and HB. Damo is still on this list but far down.

Townreads are Kgray, Brain and Yav.

I am torn on Food and Bona.

One of Ghug or Vecna might be scum, there is something in their interaction that don't fit but it's not for today.

##vote Dargo

You don't say why.
Kgray is voting for me because of kak's tinfoil hat... And because, as far as I can tell, I was wrong. That might be ironic...

Kak has not asked me anything... But has asked others ABOUT me. That feels like a scummy investigation method...

I've had my vote on maniac because he was a low poster, and his posts were weird. But I maniac is better than to scum lurk so obviously.

I could vote today for bona or kak, but adding omgus to my mix, I will
##vote kakarroto.

I hope to be on near eod.

I am not voting you because of kak's tinfoil or just because you were wrong. I am voting you because I think you saw people talking about a reason to scumread Bona and joined in, and it can't have been authentic because it never happened.

[kgray]

I'm going to ##Vote Maniac

Note 1: Today is my 40th birthday and I cannot promise that I am especially motivated to spend the evening of my 40th birthday in the company of you humanoids. Therefore I cannot promise to be around at EoD. However I think Maniac is a solid wagon at this point in time.

Why is Maniac a solid wagon?

If you read Jamie in isolation you'll know Jamie doesn't think I'm scum at all let alone a solid wagon. Which begs the questions (a) why does he want me dead and (b) why is he signalling that he won't be changing his vote?

I don't think Jamie ever seriously townread you? I'm pretty sure his reaction to your first post was just cheeky due to you voting him.

[Vecna]

I am still 6 pages behind and have to work.

My top scumreads now are Dargo and HB. Damo is still on this list but far down.

Townreads are Kgray, Brain and Yav.

I am torn on Food and Bona.

One of Ghug or Vecna might be scum, there is something in their interaction that don't fit but it's not for today.

##vote Dargo

Care to explain why you townread Kgray?

What about my interactions with Ghug is giving you bad vibes?

[Vecna]

For the time being I put brain as overwordy town. If he's scum he'll panic and expose himself (if you pardon the expression).

Thanks for explaining; yeah, I feel more the other direction, but I'll work it out like this on the page to dissuade myself.

Brain's flow of communication is pointed at specific people with a buckshot approach; verbose, but again scattered all over the place. Maybe it's due to who's on at the time? Big air time with Bona and I still need to dig into that to see which side of the argument I'll fall on. Is it helping town at all? I don't feel like it is, but brain exposing themselves by communicating so much would likely get them caught, so I think the smart scum play wouldn't be to write so much.

See? I talked myself out of it. I need to go back to check the game we were scum together. Low-town to null. I doubt I would vote them today.

Ah. These type of posts strongly remind me of HB's towngame.

The nice flow-of-thought type of posts, where he explains him questioning his own reads/reasoning, his twists and turns.

I like it.

Read improves.

[Vecna]

Vecna, were you suggesting there was anything alignment indicative here?

Yeah, Kgray hasnt displayed her usual towntelling to me just yet.

Which is odd, because I literally told her what the magic trick is, so you'd think she'd try to fake it as scum.

You expected me to towntell on my very first post?

You posted quite a bit, so I dont know why you phrased this the way you did...

[kgray]

Im starting to doubt kgray is town as well. mostly given the strange defenses of people calling scummy people sharp and scathing. plus kgray repeating she isnt good at mafia and that nobody actually fears her towngame. these statements although humble feel more like theyll be used to justify why shes not the nk this game

I could quote Bona's "sharp" posts but that seems like a waste of my time, and I don't believe in NK wifom so I wouldn't use it to justify scum not killing me.

if it potentially changes my mind on bona wouldnt that be useful

Fine.

But I disagree that your evidence shows anything

You can't say it looks like TvT then accuse me of being scum lmao

You can't actually agree and then not change your behavior without giving a reason as to why I'm still a good wagon.

I'm saying townreading or scumreading someone off a single post is a stupid idea, especially when it could conceivably be made as either alignment.

You can't say everything in that conversation was NAI and meaningless that easily - how would brain and I say the same exact things regardless of alignment pair?

What do you mean you found yourself tunneling? You made 1 post on it and spent only 4 hours apparently holding this belief.

You can't use the thing I said about how scum should be careful what they post to pass off an careless comment. Major scumpoints for that.

I don't believe it will, since you've ignored the substance of my posts anyways

[kgray]

Yeah, Kgray hasnt displayed her usual towntelling to me just yet.

Which is odd, because I literally told her what the magic trick is, so you'd think she'd try to fake it as scum.

You expected me to towntell on my very first post?

You posted quite a bit, so I dont know why you phrased this the way you did...

Food literally asked you about your reaction to my first post...