MAFIA 66: The Battle for Olympus - Game Thread [hidden]

[ghug]

Rereading celaph’s iso reminds me a bit of my own scum play. There are some big analytical posts that seem lacking in emotional punch, immediacy, context.

With this in mind, I wonder if celaph is scum, is bona also scum parking a vote to eventually leverage that into distancing/defending or something? Bona has scum reads, has said he town leans celaph, and yet is still parking. Seems unfavourable to town. In addition bona is pretty aggro but not towards celaph, who he is “watching”?

Chaqa’s iso feels too cutting and analytical to be scum Chaqa so I feel good about town!Chaqa.

Slightly aggravating that Kak and Macca get temporary passes find they pre-claimed absence. Rereading rdr’s intro makes me think scummy again.

HB seems pretty naively town. I don’t have any meta so not sure if that’s telling in any way.

I think I agree with all of this but Chaqa.

[brainbomb]

which hamilton read do you like more ghug

naively town or novice scum

[Bonatogether]

I agree and being careless is a towny behaviour. When I was scum, I used to reread all my messages before posting so I wouldn't scumslip. Posting careful is NAI but posting careless is town-ish.

I don't like this post because it's unnecessary and unprompted elaboration on someone else's kinda old comment. Bad vibes, really

Bona, you’ve pointed out a lot of things you don’t like. What have you really liked so far? Who do you townread?

I like celaph, kgray, and ghug so far. Most people are only slightly one way or the other so far, but they stand out to me.

[Bonatogether]

This post makes brain less scummy in my eyes and makes me suspicious about Bona. Like Bone, I townread Vecna too but he assumed that Vecna is town when writing this. Does Bona know who's mafia and who's not? We have the werewolf though. It's still suspicious and I'm fine with switching my vote to Bona. I just need to catch up so I can see the thread clearer.

I do not townread Vecna as strongly as people seem to think. He's more very soft town, but I would use that phrasing regardless of my perception of the other player.

I know that you didn't say you townread him. You just assumed that Vecna is town as if you knew this already.

I did not assume this.

[brainbomb]

I don't have solid arguements for the following people but I got some impressions by reading the old pages:
Town leaning reads:
ghug
kgray
jamiet99uk
celaph
Scum leaning reads:
Bonatogether

Also Hamilton Brian 's posts sound like a novice mafia. I think I will vote for him. ##vote Hamilton Brian

[brainbomb]

I don't like this post because it's unnecessary and unprompted elaboration on someone else's kinda old comment. Bad vibes, really

Bona, you’ve pointed out a lot of things you don’t like. What have you really liked so far? Who do you townread?

I like celaph, kgray, and ghug so far. Most people are only slightly one way or the other so far, but they stand out to me.

nice reads yav

[kgray]

Does anyone remember any game damo played as mafia? How was he? I find his messages detailed and careful but in a towny way. I guess I have town vibes from him.

Damo and I were scum two games in a row awhile back. If he's scum, just keep an eye out for his arguments to make no sense.

He pointed out that brain missed the fact that mafia already knows the setup. That was a careful observation and makes sense so +1 point. He townread brain for this. I'm not sure if this makes brain more scummy but damo townread him which means damo truly believed that brain townslipped and it was genuine. I don't think so.
brain and damo are both scum.

I did think damo saying brain townslipped was suspicious, but I've just realized that the time I remember him being the most adamant that townslips were fake, he was scum. So it's not as compelling to me as I originally thought.

[kgray]

I see why you say its NAI. but it isnt. Macca fake excitement is fairly noticeable. they didnt front load the post with excitement. it was an afterthought for macca they needed to be happy to be town. which town macca doesnt need to pepper into a post late in a paragraph.

To be clear, this is when macca was scum 2 games ago. this game macca is town.

Maybe you're right but why did you speak like Mecca's alignment depends only and only on excited behaviour. Are you trying to make it look like you defend Mecca because he is town and once you die you want us to think he is your scummate? Or simply buddying? I guess I will ##vote brainbomb because that's the best I can think so far.

Macca goes by "they."

It's suspicious that you are only considering town!Macca scenarios here, and not that brain could be townreading his teammate.

[kgray]

What happens when you are wrong?

Does Vecna only agree with you when you are right? Surely this would imply that Vecna is the one displaying cleverness and judgement while you just thrash around wildly.

That being the case, why are you buddying Vecna so hard?

When we disagree I ignore his opinions.

imo youre starting to sound more and more like bo_sox

lol. ghug's the worst.

[kgray]

I wanted to respond to the first post myself with a "feeling daring today are we"

....but then food swoops in here and starts drooling over "how good a p oint it is"?

wtf?

he listed 9 players. How is it at all interesting to assume theres -at least- 1 scum in there? Thats half the bloody playerlist

I especially disliked his pre-emptive dismissal of people calling it out for being trite.

I don’t really want to argue about this with the Snide Remarks Gang, but

1. It’s not a random group of 9 players, it’s a selection based on analysis
2. “At least” means “a minimum of”
3. It says things about HB

I don’t understand the edgy snark, either. Are you 14?

Edgy snark? Moi?

What does it say to you about Hamilton?

[celaph]

Ghug, you’ve sort of flippantly called brain, kgray and Chaqa scum. I don’t get the impression you actually think any of them ARE scum... but you haven’t called anyone else scum, other than sheeping Vecna onto Maniac... which also strikes me as unserious.

Is there anyone you seriously think might be scum at this point?

I like this line of questioning from food.

Do you find merit to it or do you just like that he's doing it?

Yes. I think it catches on the fact that you have been rather nonchalant so far and I like that it makes you be ever so slightly more committal.

[celaph]

I don't like this post because it's unnecessary and unprompted elaboration on someone else's kinda old comment. Bad vibes, really

Bona, you’ve pointed out a lot of things you don’t like. What have you really liked so far? Who do you townread?

I like celaph, kgray, and ghug so far. Most people are only slightly one way or the other so far, but they stand out to me.

I get the feeling that us 3 all stand out in your mind because you have more experience with us. Can you point to the things that we've actually said that you've liked?

[Kakarroto]

@celaph @kgray I also like to know what you think of my 'dargo trapped' theory

[kgray]

I don't like this post because it's unnecessary and unprompted elaboration on someone else's kinda old comment. Bad vibes, really

I don't know why you think it's scummy to react to an old post. Last 2 hours passed me trying to cath up and I started from the point I left, and I reacted to every message I found worthy. You may be right about the necessity, but I guess I would be more careful if I were mafia.

You can't use the thing I said about how scum should be careful what they post to pass off an careless comment. Major scumpoints for that.

Bona's being very sharp this game. I like it.

[celaph]

youve been pretty solidly against everything ive said so far celaph. whether it was calling me a soulless politician to saying I wanna misrep macca in everyway possible to suit my nefarious goals and now im posthumously implying vecna and foodcoats didnt randomly call kak funny and wacky.

You're probably right that I've been a little hard on you and that opening comment was unnecessary. I'd rather not be mean. My concern with you is that you seem to have decent ideas that I don't feel like work well given their contexts.

[brainbomb]

I would compare bonas sharpness to a spoon thus far. what meth are you on

[brainbomb]

youve been pretty solidly against everything ive said so far celaph. whether it was calling me a soulless politician to saying I wanna misrep macca in everyway possible to suit my nefarious goals and now im posthumously implying vecna and foodcoats didnt randomly call kak funny and wacky.

You're probably right that I've been a little hard on you and that opening comment was unnecessary. I'd rather not be mean. My concern with you is that you seem to have decent ideas that I don't feel like work well given their contexts.

I didnt think you were mean I felt like you didnt want anything I felt to have a chance to be real

[kgray]

I don't have solid arguements for the following people but I got some impressions by reading the old pages:
Town leaning reads:
ghug
kgray
jamiet99uk
celaph
Scum leaning reads:
Bonatogether

Also Hamilton Brian 's posts sound like a novice mafia. I think I will vote for him. ##vote Hamilton Brian

what does a novice mafia do that an expert mafia or amatuer mafia do

He tries to make baseless arguements to look like he is reading but actually he isn't. He is observing but tries to keep his distance.

Hmm. I wouldn't characterize Hamilton as making any arguments so far. He's asked a few questions and his comments have mostly just been stating what others have said/done.

[kgray]

Rereading celaph’s iso reminds me a bit of my own scum play. There are some big analytical posts that seem lacking in emotional punch, immediacy, context.

With this in mind, I wonder if celaph is scum, is bona also scum parking a vote to eventually leverage that into distancing/defending or something? Bona has scum reads, has said he town leans celaph, and yet is still parking. Seems unfavourable to town. In addition bona is pretty aggro but not towards celaph, who he is “watching”?

Chaqa’s iso feels too cutting and analytical to be scum Chaqa so I feel good about town!Chaqa.

Slightly aggravating that Kak and Macca get temporary passes find they pre-claimed absence. Rereading rdr’s intro makes me think scummy again.

HB seems pretty naively town. I don’t have any meta so not sure if that’s telling in any way.

celaph has big analytical posts? Are we reading the same game?

[celaph]

@celaph @kgray I also like to know what you think of my 'dargo trapped' theory

I think I agree with your conclusion that darg is looking scummy, though I think I would go about making the argument differently.

For one, you're framing it as if ghug and Vecna were setting the trap intentionally which doesn't seem to be the case. At least, if it was the case then I'm surprised they aren't jumping more over it. I also think that you are glossing over the fact that he said he found himself tunneling severely after a single post regarding Bona.