MAFIA 66: The Battle for Olympus - Game Thread [hidden]

[Bonatogether]

do you resent the idea macca might have subtle tells?

No? I'm saying their opening posts are nai

[brainbomb]

People can edit their words once they're typed brain. I don't buy this.

This assumes that a scum player (macca) was self aware during a stream of consciousness post that they were being their ordinary self and went and self edited. Im not even sure how this refutes my point that they added faked enthuisiasm at the end to look towny. again this post was from M64 and not this game.

Scum players are always (or should always be) self-aware of what their posts look like.

I agree. which is why they added faked excitement in their opening post of M64.

youre actually arguing my points right now

[Chaqa]

Helpful townChaqa or naughty scumChaqa pretending to be helpful?
Assuming town for now.

How was that helpful? lmao

I think Chaqa's post is helpful for lazy people like me, but nothing AI.

Two really weird posts by Damo until now.

That was my thought. I went into it expecting the setups to be more different, but as it turns out, it's just pairs of roles being omitted. Still, it's much easier to read in a short format like that than in the long format HR posted.

[foodcoats]

Fine. I am comfortable. Is it bad?

rdr, you are surprisingly defensive so early in the game when brainbomb merely called you "comfortable." Why do you think you need to fight this so hard? I don't think brain has even said you are scummy.

What is defensive about his response and how on earth do you think he's fighting hard?

I feel like you're just jumping off of brain's comment that he no longer seems comfortable (which I disagreed with) and that makes *me* uncomfortable.

What would you have thought if when you said I was awkward I said “So what if I’m awkward? Is that bad?”

I find rdr hard to read but he seems experienced and cool-headed enough that brainbomb of all people calling him campy and comfortable seems like something utterly undeserving of discussion - unless he is worried that brain is calling him scum.

Why do you think rdr asking “Is that bad?” is NOT defensive? What else COULD it be in Forum Mafia? Shooting the breeze?

[brainbomb]

do you resent the idea macca might have subtle tells?

No? I'm saying their opening posts are nai

I just showed you how as scum they added fake excitement to replicate their townplay, showed you exactly where and how they did it and you agreed scum edits posts to make sure it passes the test.

[Bonatogether]

This assumes that a scum player (macca) was self aware during a stream of consciousness post that they were being their ordinary self and went and self edited. Im not even sure how this refutes my point that they added faked enthuisiasm at the end to look towny. again this post was from M64 and not this game.

Scum players are always (or should always be) self-aware of what their posts look like.

I agree. which is why they added faked excitement in their opening post of M64.

youre actually arguing my points right now

You're insane. If they were scum, they would have re-edited the whole message and not tacked on a thing at the end (ie, we can't tell if scum!macca makes a certain post since town!macca would make the same post)

[brainbomb]

Scum players are always (or should always be) self-aware of what their posts look like.

I agree. which is why they added faked excitement in their opening post of M64.

youre actually arguing my points right now

You're insane. If they were scum, they would have re-edited the whole message and not tacked on a thing at the end (ie, we can't tell if scum!macca makes a certain post since town!macca would make the same post)

in M64, they were scum.
there is no If?????

what on earth is happening to you

[Bonatogether]

do you resent the idea macca might have subtle tells?

No? I'm saying their opening posts are nai

I just showed you how as scum they added fake excitement to replicate their townplay, showed you exactly where and how they did it and you agreed scum edits posts to make sure it passes the test.

You just showed that scum and town macca have similar opening posts, in ways that are broadly the same and in ways that are indistinguishable until we know their alignment ahead of time. It's nai

[brainbomb]

This is a scumtell from you bona. for a number of reasons.

but the most important reason is that you are fighting tooth and nail to keep a player as a null when you should be seeking to prove that player is town or scum by any means necessary.

this arbitrary use if logic and judgement mirrors how you played as scum in m64 where you would argue just for the sake of asinine page filling arguments.

##vote bona

[foodcoats]

I'm noticing foodcoats keeps asking a lot of "would X player do this?" or "does Y player play like this as scum?" type questions, which to me seems like an easy way to make yourself look like you're hunting that pushes the work from you to others. I find it is a pretty common scum tactic.

I literally haven’t asked either of those questions. But perhaps you’re referring to my mental balancing of my worcej read. I’m getting a lot of scum vibes from him at the moment, moreso than usual I think, but I have to balance that with the fact I find worcej’s early-game style just generally scummy.

But again I’m pretty sure I was pontificating, not asking. I’m a drawer of conclusions, not an asker of questions.

[Bonatogether]

I agree. which is why they added faked excitement in their opening post of M64.

youre actually arguing my points right now

You're insane. If they were scum, they would have re-edited the whole message and not tacked on a thing at the end (ie, we can't tell if scum!macca makes a certain post since town!macca would make the same post)

in M64, they were scum.
there is no If?????

what on earth is happening to you

I'm right

[Chaqa]

Interesting deep dive into the meta. While ya'll are doing that I need to go back and re-read the set-up.

Scum tick

[Bonatogether]

This is a scumtell from you bona. for a number of reasons.

but the most important reason is that you are fighting tooth and nail to keep a player as a null when you should be seeking to prove that player is town or scum by any means necessary.

this arbitrary use if logic and judgement mirrors how you played as scum in m64 where you would argue just for the sake of asinine page filling arguments.

##vote bona

Incorrectly putting a player as town or scum is a greater detriment to town than having them as null on d1.

[Chaqa]

Brain, I tend to agree with your point, but also don't think Bona is scummy for this. Both sides of this argument seem reasonable to me.

[foodcoats]

This is a scumtell from you bona. for a number of reasons.

but the most important reason is that you are fighting tooth and nail to keep a player as a null when you should be seeking to prove that player is town or scum by any means necessary.

this arbitrary use if logic and judgement mirrors how you played as scum in m64 where you would argue just for the sake of asinine page filling arguments.

##vote bona

This looks like some classic TvT to me. But it is also interesting that Bona wants to defend Macca so hard... I would expect town to flip it and say brain is scum fabricating a reason to vote, rather than defending.

Macca and Bona scum team?

##VOTE bonatogether

[brainbomb]

listing someone as town based on patterns in behavior is a really quick way to sort things in large games where we dont always have enough content to go with even by mid game. we need to use every meta data point we can and use logical inferences along the way to lift our lowest hardest to read players out of questionable status into slight townleans or town so it makes the game easier. use every tool possible and hope you dont gloss over something carelessly along the way. pray you dont rely too much on diatribes or bad meta.

I dont feel I am wrong here. based on the evidence.

if you were town here youd see the urgency and immediacy of wanting to establish our weakest links as town based on any options on the table that accurately tell the tale

[brainbomb]

take the highest liability players who are not only hard to read, might lurk, might even seem overtly scummy ; and you resolve that asap

[Hamilton Brian]

Christ, 6 different set-ups. Pretty devious. Anyway, reading where scum would be able to tell which set-up is in play based on the roles. But I don't think we get that lucky with eliminating mafia to get the same info. Doesn't really matter, I guess?

[Bonatogether]

This is a scumtell from you bona. for a number of reasons.

but the most important reason is that you are fighting tooth and nail to keep a player as a null when you should be seeking to prove that player is town or scum by any means necessary.

this arbitrary use if logic and judgement mirrors how you played as scum in m64 where you would argue just for the sake of asinine page filling arguments.

##vote bona

This looks like some classic TvT to me. But it is also interesting that Bona wants to defend Macca so hard... I would expect town to flip it and say brain is scum fabricating a reason to vote, rather than defending.

Macca and Bona scum team?

##VOTE bonatogether

You can't say it looks like TvT then accuse me of being scum lmao

[brainbomb]

Christ, 6 different set-ups. Pretty devious. Anyway, reading where scum would be able to tell which set-up is in play based on the roles. But I don't think we get that lucky with eliminating mafia to get the same info. Doesn't really matter, I guess?

did you have any of these thoughts in pregame?