One Night Ultimate Werewolf Minigame [Hidden]

[Jamiet99uk]

Well, I hardclaim Troublemaker and I swapped Ghug and Chaqa.

I am voting Jamiet.

Excitement.

Ghug what do you have to say?

So wonderfully convenient that he chose me and Chaqa for this.

So you are sticking to your story that your first claim was a lie, but your second claim was true, yes?

[ghug]

Time for a Hail Mary.

TL;DR: I'm a doppelminion. Werewolves and friends, vote for me. Ghug and Chaqa, you are probably werewolves or friends.

I didn't doppelgang the drunk. I doppelganged the minion.

The current voting is pretty obviously set to kill Jamie, who is a werewolf. But I think there's a decent chance that the players who believe they are werewolf-aligned outnumber those who believe they are town-aligned. We have two werewolves, two minions, and might have a robber who converted (because I don't know what Chaqa robbed, but it sure wasn't the troublemaker). That's five players who think they are with the werewolves, vs only four who are with the town. If we all vote for me, we win. Except that unfortunate soul who turns out to have been robbed, but that's probably not you.

Ghug: you are almost certainly not town. You were swapped with Chaqa, who was probably a robber who stole a werewolf or minion card and then had to fakeclaim stealing your card (and was very unlucky you turned out to be lying).

Chaqa: you are almost certainly not town. You were swapped with Ghug, who is pretty clearly some flavour of non-town trying to mess with things.

Tanner: you are a glorious agent of chaos. If you think you have lost, please consider voting for me as the more fun and unpredictable play.

Why do you believe rd's claim?

[Jamiet99uk]

Time for a Hail Mary.

TL;DR: I'm a doppelminion. Werewolves and friends, vote for me. Ghug and Chaqa, you are probably werewolves or friends.

Why do you believe rd's claim?

What would be Rdrivera's motivation to lie?

[Jamiet99uk]

Ghug what actual role do you theorize Rdrivera started with, if he is lying about being the Troublemaker?

[ghug]

Time for a Hail Mary.

TL;DR: I'm a doppelminion. Werewolves and friends, vote for me. Ghug and Chaqa, you are probably werewolves or friends.

Why do you believe rd's claim?

What would be Rdrivera's motivation to lie?

He believes he's a werewolf and my claim was going to force him to out.

[ghug]

Why do you believe rd's claim?

What would be Rdrivera's motivation to lie?

He believes he's a werewolf and my claim was going to force him to out.

Meaning either he started as wolf and thinks I'm lying again, or started as something town-aligned and thinks he got swapped with Chaqa.

[Jamiet99uk]

What would be Rdrivera's motivation to lie?

He believes he's a werewolf and my claim was going to force him to out.

Meaning either he started as wolf and thinks I'm lying again, or started as something town-aligned and thinks he got swapped with Chaqa.

The second interpretation would also account for him suggesting Chaqa lied...

@Rdrivera: Can you clarify - do you think Chaqa is lying about his role and, if so, why do you think that?

[lfischl]

Wait so ghug and chaqa were switched not Jaime and kgray?

[teccles]

Why do you believe rd's claim?

I see no motivation for any role to fakeclaim this. Before RD's claim, we were lynching Jamie. After it we were... lynching Jamie. Who stands to gain?

[teccles]

He believes he's a werewolf and my claim was going to force him to out.

Meaning either he started as wolf and thinks I'm lying again, or started as something town-aligned and thinks he got swapped with Chaqa.

The second interpretation would also account for him suggesting Chaqa lied...

@Rdrivera: Can you clarify - do you think Chaqa is lying about his role and, if so, why do you think that?

It's because Chaqa claimed to have stolen the troublemaker. But if RD is the troublemaker, Chaqa can't have stolen it from Jamie.

This interpretation doesn't make much sense to me. If RD thought he'd become a wolf, claiming troublemaker doesn't actually help. Maybe claiming wolf could get Chaqa lynched, but no other claim was going to shift enough votes off Jamie, the claimed werewolf.

[Hamilton Brian]

That Teccles Hail Mary is something else. I don't really know what to make of it.

Teccles is now minion, and knows the identities of the werewolves? But why say Ghug and Chaqa are "probably" werewolves? Werewolves don't know who the minion is. Teccles, I feel like I am missing something. You're also saying jamie is a werewolf?

Anyway, I discounted that I could have been tampered with but it's occuring to me that perhaps I am now not the role I was originally given. Maybe?

[Jamiet99uk]

Wait so ghug and chaqa were switched not JAMIE and kgray?

Have you been asleep for the last 30 or so hours?

[teccles]

That Teccles Hail Mary is something else. I don't really know what to make of it.

Teccles is now minion, and knows the identities of the werewolves? But why say Ghug and Chaqa are "probably" werewolves? Werewolves don't know who the minion is. Teccles, I feel like I am missing something. You're also saying jamie is a werewolf?

Anyway, I discounted that I could have been tampered with but it's occuring to me that perhaps I am now not the role I was originally given. Maybe?

I know the identity of the original werewolves, but not any role swapped werewolves or minions.

Ghug and Chaqa had their roles swapped. I am saying they are probably werewolves (or minions) from their points of view.

Yes, Jamie started as a werewolf, and almost certainly still is one, since no-one claims otherwise.

In case you are a baddie: you know Jamie is a werewolf. If Jamie is lynched, we definitely lose. If I am lynched, we don't - and there's no other alternative on the table. It's a long shot, but it's the only shot we have.

[Jamiet99uk]

Anyway, I discounted that I could have been tampered with but it's occuring to me that perhaps I am now not the role I was originally given. Maybe?

This is the whole point of the game, Hammy.

[Jamiet99uk]

That Teccles Hail Mary is something else. I don't really know what to make of it.

Teccles is now minion, and knows the identities of the werewolves? But why say Ghug and Chaqa are "probably" werewolves? Werewolves don't know who the minion is. Teccles, I feel like I am missing something. You're also saying jamie is a werewolf?

Anyway, I discounted that I could have been tampered with but it's occuring to me that perhaps I am now not the role I was originally given. Maybe?

I know the identity of the original werewolves, but not any role swapped werewolves or minions.

Ghug and Chaqa had their roles swapped. I am saying they are probably werewolves (or minions) from their points of view.

Yes, Jamie started as a werewolf, and almost certainly still is one, since no-one claims otherwise.

In case you are a baddie: you know Jamie is a werewolf. If Jamie is lynched, we definitely lose. If I am lynched, we don't - and there's no other alternative on the table. It's a long shot, but it's the only shot we have.

Tell me who the other starting Werewolf is (or was).

[teccles]

(I have not claimed the identity of the other minion or the other werewolf, because I think it would be a bad idea for the wolves)

[teccles]

Crossposted that with you Jamie. Why do you want to know? I think there are small but real reasons not to say.

[teccles]

Specifically: there are various people we need to believe themselves to be baddies. At least one of them probably isn't. Putting out lots of information will make it clearer what's going on.

[Jamiet99uk]

Specifically: there are various people we need to believe themselves to be baddies. At least one of them probably isn't. Putting out lots of information will make it clearer what's going on.

Interesting, yes, hmm.

[teccles]

I need to make some dinner... I'll check back before deadline, but my vote is in. Werewolves, other minion, probably-miscellaneous-not-town-people, anyone-who-values-fun: votes on me! It's our only hope.