Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

[Jamiet99uk]

I thought you hated discord.

I abhor Discord for anything other than 1-to-1 chats, for which is acceptable. I prefer to use Messenger for that to be honest but that only works if your co-GM is also your Facebook friend.

[Jamiet99uk]

Why would scum!Rdrivera announce himself in the WT-QT ?

Everyone else was doing it and he needed an item alibi.

What do you mean "he needed an item alibi"?

At the time Rdrivera would have revealed in the Walkie Talkie QT, lots of people hadn't revealed their items.

I got the impression Rdrivera revealed in that QT a while before Maniac did, no?

[ghug]

Why would scum!Rdrivera announce himself in the WT-QT ?

Everyone else was doing it and he needed an item alibi.

What do you mean "he needed an item alibi"?

At the time Rdrivera would have revealed in the Walkie Talkie QT, lots of people hadn't revealed their items.

I got the impression Rdrivera revealed in that QT a while before Maniac did, no?

It was obvious from the start that there was potential for a massclaim and people would need to use their items plausibly.

[Jamiet99uk]

Everyone else was doing it and he needed an item alibi.

What do you mean "he needed an item alibi"?

At the time Rdrivera would have revealed in the Walkie Talkie QT, lots of people hadn't revealed their items.

I got the impression Rdrivera revealed in that QT a while before Maniac did, no?

It was obvious from the start that there was potential for a massclaim and people would need to use their items plausibly.

You're behaving as if Rdrivera has been lying about being in the Walkie Talkie QT.

[ghug]

What do you mean "he needed an item alibi"?

At the time Rdrivera would have revealed in the Walkie Talkie QT, lots of people hadn't revealed their items.

I got the impression Rdrivera revealed in that QT a while before Maniac did, no?

It was obvious from the start that there was potential for a massclaim and people would need to use their items plausibly.

You're behaving as if Rdrivera has been lying about being in the Walkie Talkie QT.

Huh? I'm saying he'd be aware for the potential for massclaim and know that he can't claim to have the item he actually has if he hasn't been behaving like town in the phone QT.

[Jamiet99uk]

It was obvious from the start that there was potential for a massclaim and people would need to use their items plausibly.

You're behaving as if Rdrivera has been lying about being in the Walkie Talkie QT.

Huh? I'm saying he'd be aware for the potential for massclaim and know that he can't claim to have the item he actually has if he hasn't been behaving like town in the phone QT.

This doesn't make sense. He could have used a codeword or crumb of some kind in the phone QT rather than simply fully revealing himself, and achieve just the same result with less risk.

[ghug]

You're behaving as if Rdrivera has been lying about being in the Walkie Talkie QT.

Huh? I'm saying he'd be aware for the potential for massclaim and know that he can't claim to have the item he actually has if he hasn't been behaving like town in the phone QT.

This doesn't make sense. He could have used a codeword or crumb of some kind in the phone QT rather than simply fully revealing himself, and achieve just the same result with less risk.

Huh? He can verify that he has the item easily. I'm saying if he doesn't reveal his name and everyone else does, there's reason to be suspicious of him whenever it does come out.

[Jamiet99uk]

Huh? I'm saying he'd be aware for the potential for massclaim and know that he can't claim to have the item he actually has if he hasn't been behaving like town in the phone QT.

This doesn't make sense. He could have used a codeword or crumb of some kind in the phone QT rather than simply fully revealing himself, and achieve just the same result with less risk.

Huh? He can verify that he has the item easily. I'm saying if he doesn't reveal his name and everyone else does, there's reason to be suspicious of him whenever it does come out.

Why do you think that you and Maniac are drawing precisely the opposite conclusions from this?

[ghug]

This doesn't make sense. He could have used a codeword or crumb of some kind in the phone QT rather than simply fully revealing himself, and achieve just the same result with less risk.

Huh? He can verify that he has the item easily. I'm saying if he doesn't reveal his name and everyone else does, there's reason to be suspicious of him whenever it does come out.

Why do you think that you and Maniac are drawing precisely the opposite conclusions from this?

I'm not drawing the opposite conclusion. I think revealing yourself in the sat QT is NAI.

I think Maniac is crazy, mostly. Maybe he thinks it's townie because he did it. Maybe he wants to portray it as townie so that rd will give him a reciprocal read.

[Jamiet99uk]

I'm not drawing the opposite conclusion. I think revealing yourself in the sat QT is NAI.

Semantics. You are drawing significantly different conclusions from each other.

Maniac thinks this detail strongly indicates Rdriveria is town, you're convinced it does not. These are very different viewpoints, however much you want to have a debate about the dictionary definition of "opposite".

When did you become this pedantic anyway? That's Damo's job.

[rdrivera2005]

Huh? He can verify that he has the item easily. I'm saying if he doesn't reveal his name and everyone else does, there's reason to be suspicious of him whenever it does come out.

Why do you think that you and Maniac are drawing precisely the opposite conclusions from this?

I'm not drawing the opposite conclusion. I think revealing yourself in the sat QT is NAI.

I think Maniac is crazy, mostly. Maybe he thinks it's townie because he did it. Maybe he wants to portray it as townie so that rd will give him a reciprocal read.

I have to agree with Ghug on this, revealing on QT is NAI as it has nothing to do with alignment. Jamiet had a point that keep hiding (there coulde be 2 to 4 in QT) could be the best approach. And massclaim isn't a big problem with Item Thief. It could be a problem if more then one scum have the sat phobe but it isn't the case.

[ghug]

I'm not drawing the opposite conclusion. I think revealing yourself in the sat QT is NAI.

Semantics. You are drawing significantly different conclusions from each other.

Maniac thinks this detail strongly indicates Rdriveria is town, you're convinced it does not. These are very different viewpoints, however much you want to have a debate about the dictionary definition of "opposite".

When did you become this pedantic anyway? That's Damo's job.

I wanted my position to be clear. I still answered the question, didn't I?

[rdrivera2005]

I'm not drawing the opposite conclusion. I think revealing yourself in the sat QT is NAI.

Semantics. You are drawing significantly different conclusions from each other.

Maniac thinks this detail strongly indicates Rdriveria is town, you're convinced it does not. These are very different viewpoints, however much you want to have a debate about the dictionary definition of "opposite".

When did you become this pedantic anyway? That's Damo's job.

Jamiet, from my POV it's easy to understand. One of them is scum, so he gets the conclusion that fits his plan (getting me miskilled if it's Ghug or buddy me if it's Maniac).

[rdrivera2005]

Why would scum!Rdrivera announce himself in the WT-QT ?

Everyone else was doing it and he needed an item alibi.

What do you mean "he needed an item alibi"?

At the time Rdrivera would have revealed in the Walkie Talkie QT, lots of people hadn't revealed their items.

I got the impression Rdrivera revealed in that QT a while before Maniac did, no?

Not true. Jasnah was the first to revel his identity both in QT and on the main thread later. Maniac was the second to reveal on QT and I was the third (basically because I didn't open the QT before my situation was sorted by the GMs).

[dargorygel]

VotE CoUNt 9.03
Ghug (3) Maniac, rdrivera2005, Jamiet99uk
Rdrivera2005 (1) ghug

Maniac is hammering.

ghug has the most votes.

Day ends in 3.5 hours

[Maniac]

I think Maniac is crazy, mostly. Maybe he thinks it's townie because he did it. Maybe he wants to portray it as townie so that rd will give him a reciprocal read.

This old chestnut, let’s call maniac crazy if he says something we disagree with because crazy=maniac always. More importantly though the comment “Maybe Maniac thinks it’s townie because he did it” - strong sense here that Ghug knows I’m town rather than reading me as town.

[Maniac]

I’m too busy to re-read from the start but this stuff about mass item claiming hardly came up at all. Maybe Ghug is misremembering and it was spoken about in the scum chat? If you search ‘mass’ on the bot there is very little mention of it until recently.

[Maniac]

Everyone else was doing it and he needed an item alibi.

What do you mean "he needed an item alibi"?

At the time Rdrivera would have revealed in the Walkie Talkie QT, lots of people hadn't revealed their items.

I got the impression Rdrivera revealed in that QT a while before Maniac did, no?

Not true. Jasnah was the first to revel his identity both in QT and on the main thread later. Maniac was the second to reveal on QT and I was the third (basically because I didn't open the QT before my situation was sorted by the GMs).

Just for the record Rdriveria reveal just before EON1 but had
Anonymous posts prior. It’s possible EMC revealed 3rd but any evidence has been erased.

[ghug]

I think Maniac is crazy, mostly. Maybe he thinks it's townie because he did it. Maybe he wants to portray it as townie so that rd will give him a reciprocal read.

This old chestnut, let’s call maniac crazy if he says something we disagree with because crazy=maniac always. More importantly though the comment “Maybe Maniac thinks it’s townie because he did it” - strong sense here that Ghug knows I’m town rather than reading me as town.

I gave the scum motivation and the town motivation right next to each other...

[ghug]

I’m too busy to re-read from the start but this stuff about mass item claiming hardly came up at all. Maybe Ghug is misremembering and it was spoken about in the scum chat? If you search ‘mass’ on the bot there is very little mention of it until recently.

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?wo ... claim&g=65