Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

[rdrivera2005]

So Maniac and Rdrivera are both townreading each other for things related to the Walkie Talkie QT.

Is this good reasoning or could there be buddying / Stockholm syndrome in play?

The walkie-talkie QT has 105 messages, 15 from admins, 32 were deleted. Early ones were messing around and late on rdriveria and I check in to see we are not camped. It’s a million miles form Stockholm syndrome which is in itself pseudoscience and would apply here anyway. I think both of us are taking it into account where it’s relevant.

I would add that after Jasnah death, there we only 15 messages from me and Maniac, probably because I don't fully trust him until Fox claimed.

[Jamiet99uk]

##Unend btw

[Jamiet99uk]

So Maniac and Rdrivera townread each other.

Every time I try to persuade Ghug to consider Maniac I've just gotten back variations of "I know but look at Rdrivera".

I have tried my best. I did look at Rdrivera and I don't think he's scum.

##Vote Ghug

[ghug]

@Ghug: Looking back I notice that you did not mention Rdrivera at all, until today. That's rather odd. Comment?

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?us ... ivera&g=65

[ghug]

Very well.

Ghug, you invited me to re-consider Rdrivera.

I have done as you asked.

As a result I am going to eliminate Rdrivera from my suspicions.

It's either Maniac or Ghug.

[Jamiet99uk]

@Ghug: Looking back I notice that you did not mention Rdrivera at all, until today. That's rather odd. Comment?

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?us ... ivera&g=65

Oh I see. Your habit of calling him "Rd" makes it hard to search for, Gh.

[Jamiet99uk]

Very well.

Ghug, you invited me to re-consider Rdrivera.

I have done as you asked.

As a result I am going to eliminate Rdrivera from my suspicions.

It's either Maniac or Ghug.

If it's Rdrivera, then, uh, Maniac should buy you a pizza.

[ghug]

So Maniac and Rdrivera townread each other.

Every time I try to persuade Ghug to consider Maniac I've just gotten back variations of "I know but look at Rdrivera".

I have tried my best. I did look at Rdrivera and I don't think he's scum.

##Vote Ghug

Why does my opinion differing from yours make me scum?

I've been pretty upfront that I see some merit to your arguments, and I'm willing to switch if you ultimately decide I'm wrong. I don't see the issue with that.

You don't find the interactions with brain or the constant substanceless scumreading of worcej problematic?

[ghug]

@Ghug:
@Rdrivera:

Summarise why you think Maniac is town, in no more than 250 words, please.

He's played most of the game free and loose, and we've had a solid steady rate of one or two ridiculous Maniac plans per day. Scum Maniac is more guarded and appears more like a normal person.

[Jamiet99uk]

@Ghug:
@Rdrivera:

Summarise why you think Maniac is town, in no more than 250 words, please.

He's played most of the game free and loose, and we've had a solid steady rate of one or two ridiculous Maniac plans per day. Scum Maniac is more guarded and appears more like a normal person.

I watched Alien Maniac carefully when I was the GM in M64, in which the Aliens were essentially Mafia Team #2, and he was nothing like you're describing. He was ridiculous, aggressive, risk-taking.

[ghug]

@Ghug:
@Rdrivera:

Summarise why you think Maniac is town, in no more than 250 words, please.

He's played most of the game free and loose, and we've had a solid steady rate of one or two ridiculous Maniac plans per day. Scum Maniac is more guarded and appears more like a normal person.

I watched Alien Maniac carefully when I was the GM in M64, in which the Aliens were essentially Mafia Team #2, and he was nothing like you're describing. He was ridiculous, aggressive, risk-taking.

That isn't how I remember it.

[Jamiet99uk]

You don't find the interactions with brain or the constant substanceless scumreading of worcej problematic?

I've re-read and you've pointed out weird interactions with brainbomb for both Maniac and Rdrivera. I don't see how Rdrivera's interactions with brainbomb are somehow an order of magnitude more suspect. Also, it's brainbomb.

Rdrivera gave two reasons for scumreading Worcej. One of them was meta regarding Worcej's early relaxed posting style, and one of them was regarding Worcej's strong push on Lfischl. I don't see what you're seeing.

[Jamiet99uk]

He's played most of the game free and loose, and we've had a solid steady rate of one or two ridiculous Maniac plans per day. Scum Maniac is more guarded and appears more like a normal person.

I watched Alien Maniac carefully when I was the GM in M64, in which the Aliens were essentially Mafia Team #2, and he was nothing like you're describing. He was ridiculous, aggressive, risk-taking.

That isn't how I remember it.

As part of a three-person Alien team, he bussed one of his fellow aliens with extreme, ultra-violent aggression from the very beginning of the game, so much so that Dargorygel and I both said "wow" to each other in our Discord chat.

[Jamiet99uk]

Like, Alien Maniac showed a level of aggression usually reserved for Hellenic Riot miskilling a Vanilla Townie.

[ghug]

You don't find the interactions with brain or the constant substanceless scumreading of worcej problematic?

I've re-read and you've pointed out weird interactions with brainbomb for both Maniac and Rdrivera. I don't see how Rdrivera's interactions with brainbomb are somehow an order of magnitude more suspect. Also, it's brainbomb.

Rdrivera gave two reasons for scumreading Worcej. One of them was meta regarding Worcej's early relaxed posting style, and one of them was regarding Worcej's strong push on Lfischl. I don't see what you're seeing.

rd and brain were scumreading each other and arguing a fair amount until brain want crazy on everyone, and then they barely mentioned each other. That's definitely weird.

He gave two reasons for scumreading worcej early, and then kept listing him as a desirable kill without any more elaboration or ever interacting with him directly. Also weird.

[ghug]

Like, Alien Maniac showed a level of aggression usually reserved for Hellenic Riot miskilling a Vanilla Townie.

Hmm, ok, lemme go back and look. I'm basing most of my scum meta for him on the entire multi-year ouvre, but I don't remember that game surprising me particularly.

[Jamiet99uk]

You don't find the interactions with brain or the constant substanceless scumreading of worcej problematic?

I've re-read and you've pointed out weird interactions with brainbomb for both Maniac and Rdrivera. I don't see how Rdrivera's interactions with brainbomb are somehow an order of magnitude more suspect. Also, it's brainbomb.

Rdrivera gave two reasons for scumreading Worcej. One of them was meta regarding Worcej's early relaxed posting style, and one of them was regarding Worcej's strong push on Lfischl. I don't see what you're seeing.

rd and brain were scumreading each other and arguing a fair amount until brain want crazy on everyone, and then they barely mentioned each other. That's definitely weird.

He gave two reasons for scumreading worcej early, and then kept listing him as a desirable kill without any more elaboration or ever interacting with him directly. Also weird.

Why would scum!Rdrivera announce himself in the WT-QT ?

[ghug]

I thought you hated discord.

[ghug]

I've re-read and you've pointed out weird interactions with brainbomb for both Maniac and Rdrivera. I don't see how Rdrivera's interactions with brainbomb are somehow an order of magnitude more suspect. Also, it's brainbomb.

Rdrivera gave two reasons for scumreading Worcej. One of them was meta regarding Worcej's early relaxed posting style, and one of them was regarding Worcej's strong push on Lfischl. I don't see what you're seeing.

rd and brain were scumreading each other and arguing a fair amount until brain want crazy on everyone, and then they barely mentioned each other. That's definitely weird.

He gave two reasons for scumreading worcej early, and then kept listing him as a desirable kill without any more elaboration or ever interacting with him directly. Also weird.

Why would scum!Rdrivera announce himself in the WT-QT ?

Everyone else was doing it and he needed an item alibi.

[ghug]

Ok, looking back over his D1 from N64, I see him asking a lot of normal questions and giving the appearance of a normal person hunting. It does appear he bussed strongly, but his general demeanor took on an affect that wouldn't get him scumread, which I don't see in this game.