Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

[Jamiet99uk]

Maniac says he strongly scumreads Ghug and does not scumread Rdrivera. He has made it clear he will only vote Ghug today.

Rdrivera has expressed great uncertainty, is voting for Ghug but has also expressed reasons for potentially scumreading Maniac.

Ghug is voting for Rdrivera but did also express suspicions about Maniac.

How do you feel?

I feel Maniac > Ghug > Rdrivera.

However nobody seems to want to join me on Maniac so I was considering ##UNVOTE-ing and then tossing a coin.

[ghug]

Maniac says he strongly scumreads Ghug and does not scumread Rdrivera. He has made it clear he will only vote Ghug today.

Rdrivera has expressed great uncertainty, is voting for Ghug but has also expressed reasons for potentially scumreading Maniac.

Ghug is voting for Rdrivera but did also express suspicions about Maniac.

How do you feel?

I feel Maniac > Ghug > Rdrivera.

However nobody seems to want to join me on Maniac so I was considering ##UNVOTE-ing and then tossing a coin.

Ok, why do you prefer Maniac to rd? Where do you disagree with my case, such as it is?

[Jamiet99uk]

How do you feel?

I feel Maniac > Ghug > Rdrivera.

However nobody seems to want to join me on Maniac so I was considering ##UNVOTE-ing and then tossing a coin.

Ok, why do you prefer Maniac to rd? Where do you disagree with my case, such as it is?

Gut.

[Jamiet99uk]

In any case, Ghug, I cannot vote Rdrivera if Maniac is completely refusing to move, unless we are satisfied with a tie?

[Jamiet99uk]

In fact, we're at may-kill-or-lose so a tie is an option.

[rdrivera2005]

Current appearances, updated:

Ghug: Tryharding, defensive, hedgy.
Maniac: Arrogant, narcissistic, dismissive.
Rdrivera: Dithering, delaying, uncertain.

One of these people is only putting on an act.

I was born beautiful and get more handsome with age, just telling it like it is.

I don't know what to tell you about the game. If anyone thinks worceJ and I devised a stupid scum plan which risked exposing both of us just so I could say that's too stupid at end of game, then they should vote for me and face ridicule in the god thread.

I know it's harder for you Jamie as you have three unclears, but my decision is easy. I think in a game with a third party and day mafia chat rdriveria would have been advised to keep himself anonymous so that they could feed us info about the Alien if needs be. There is no other use for the walkie-talkie thread apart from clearing players of one scum role (which he could've done later if needs be). Re-reading and posting length detailed reads isn't going tp change my mind.

So that leaves Ghug. Do I think he would kill Kgray for shits and giggles? Yes. Do I think he would keep Jamie alive until alien was dead? Yes. Do I think he has has done anything that screams town? No. The closest he gets to town is his D1 vote hopping between three people who turned out to be town, but that's hardly great proof.

We still need to agree our target and end before 11pm UK time. I'm not going to shift my vote, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but I've stated my reasons.

Your rd logic is awful. Scum not identifying themselves in the QT would absolutely come back to bite them whenever they eventually have to admit their item, and identifying oneself when that's what all the townies are doing is surprisingly sensible.

I probably would shoot a valuable townie like kgray, but so would brain and Bunny, so that's not damning. I think I would have shot Vecna, but that's neither here nor there. Leaning Jamie alive is not a point against me.

Why do we need to end today? If someone (me) has the containment field and isn't claiming it, we can kill them again tomorrow.

Theoretically we can still have two infected and lose to the Alien.

[Jamiet99uk]

Theoretically we can still have two infected and lose to the Alien.

I know that Ghug and Maniac are not infected.

I scanned myself last night.

[rdrivera2005]

In fact, we're at may-kill-or-lose so a tie is an option.

Honestly if Maniac is being honest about not changing his vote, a tie is the same of choosing Ghug, as you will be NKed and I won't vote myself).
And we still risk losing to the Alien.
I think we should decide it today or in the worst case use the full day (and risk an Alien win, which is unlikely but possible) so you can still have a say on the result.

[rdrivera2005]

Theoretically we can still have two infected and lose to the Alien.

I know that Ghug and Maniac are not infected.

I scanned myself last night.

Well, like I said it's a small chance. The containment field isn't s big deal as it's obvious what happened and we just kill next day.

[ghug]

In any case, Ghug, I cannot vote Rdrivera if Maniac is completely refusing to move, unless we are satisfied with a tie?

I imagine we're all in a position where we'll follow you at EoD as long as it's not onto ourselves.

[Jamiet99uk]

In fact, we're at may-kill-or-lose so a tie is an option.

Honestly if Maniac is being honest about not changing his vote, a tie is the same of choosing Ghug, as you will be NKed and I won't vote myself).
And we still risk losing to the Alien.
I think we should decide it today or in the worst case use the full day (and risk an Alien win, which is unlikely but possible) so you can still have a say on the result.

Then would you vote for Maniac rather than allowing him to hold you to ransom?

[Jamiet99uk]

In any case, Ghug, I cannot vote Rdrivera if Maniac is completely refusing to move, unless we are satisfied with a tie?

I imagine we're all in a position where we'll follow you at EoD as long as it's not onto ourselves.

Maniac says otherwise.

[Jamiet99uk]

##Vote Rdrivera.

Now it's a tie.

[Jamiet99uk]

Remind me what Rdrivera's item was?

[ghug]

Remind me what Rdrivera's item was?

Sat phone.

[ghug]

Hi Vecna.

I'm blaming you if we lose.

[Jamiet99uk]

Remind me what Rdrivera's item was?

Sat phone.

Oh of course sorry. And Maniac had this item also.

And you, Ghug, claimed to have a Med Kit / Triage Kit, and you used it on me but I wasn't attacked (but the heal was still expended), is that correct?

[Maniac]

I haven’t seen anything that would convince me to change from Ghug.

That’s not holding anyone to tansome. I believe in my read. I’d sooner lose if I’m wrong that change and lose because I sheeped someone.

A tie is bad for us, but tomorrow is the same deal. I’ll vote Ghug and the chips will fall where they fall.

[rdrivera2005]

In fact, we're at may-kill-or-lose so a tie is an option.

Honestly if Maniac is being honest about not changing his vote, a tie is the same of choosing Ghug, as you will be NKed and I won't vote myself).
And we still risk losing to the Alien.
I think we should decide it today or in the worst case use the full day (and risk an Alien win, which is unlikely but possible) so you can still have a say on the result.

Then would you vote for Maniac rather than allowing him to hold you to ransom?

Yes, if you decide to vote Maniac at EOD I will follow you and it's the obvious town play. That's why I expected you to vote last so every possible suspect states his vote and can try to convince you.

[rdrivera2005]

##Vote Rdrivera.

Now it's a tie.

I won't obviously follow you into voting me. But I will understand if Maniac does and will blame just you for our loss.