Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

[ghug]

Remember that scene from, “The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly” in which the main characters stand in a circle and stare at each other… with the camera following their darting eyes?

That’s today.

VOTE COUNT 9.1

ghug (1) Maniac (who is hammering)
rdrivera2005 (1) ghug
maniac (1) Jamiet99uk

Not voting: rdrivera2005

rd just needs to vote Jamie and we're there.

[Jamiet99uk]

Remember that scene from, “The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly” in which the main characters stand in a circle and stare at each other… with the camera following their darting eyes?

That’s today.

VOTE COUNT 9.1

ghug (1) Maniac (who is hammering)
rdrivera2005 (1) ghug
maniac (1) Jamiet99uk

Not voting: rdrivera2005

rd just needs to vote Jamie and we're there.

I'm town.

Maniac was allegedly handsome as a baby but has become increasingly seasoned by the passage of time so that now he resembles a large, leathery baby. He thinks this is a good look.

Rdrivera is dithering.

You are putting in what appears to be the most earnest effort, Ghug.

Hmm.

[rdrivera2005]

@Rdrivera: Why are you still not voting?

Because I am still trying to get more info before deciding. Considering my bad record this game, I will ##vote Ghug now.
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But it's not set in stone as obviously we need to reach at least a 3 person consensus.

[rdrivera2005]

Remember that scene from, “The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly” in which the main characters stand in a circle and stare at each other… with the camera following their darting eyes?

That’s today.

VOTE COUNT 9.1

ghug (1) Maniac (who is hammering)
rdrivera2005 (1) ghug
maniac (1) Jamiet99uk

Not voting: rdrivera2005

rd just needs to vote Jamie and we're there.

I'm town.

Maniac was allegedly handsome as a baby but has become increasingly seasoned by the passage of time so that now he resembles a large, leathery baby. He thinks this is a good look.

Rdrivera is dithering.

You are putting in what appears to be the most earnest effort, Ghug.

Hmm.

I don't understand how anyone isn't dithering at this point.

[rdrivera2005]

Remember that scene from, “The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly” in which the main characters stand in a circle and stare at each other… with the camera following their darting eyes?

That’s today.

VOTE COUNT 9.1

ghug (1) Maniac (who is hammering)
rdrivera2005 (1) ghug
maniac (1) Jamiet99uk

Not voting: rdrivera2005

rd just needs to vote Jamie and we're there.

I'm town.

Maniac was allegedly handsome as a baby but has become increasingly seasoned by the passage of time so that now he resembles a large, leathery baby. He thinks this is a good look.

Rdrivera is dithering.

You are putting in what appears to be the most earnest effort, Ghug.

Hmm.

What effort, re-reading both me and Maniac (and not so closely) and come to conclusion I am scum because I am capable of playing well as scum? Big effort.

[ghug]

This is hilarious.

So experienced people think worceJ exposing himself when Damo was likely to be the kill was bad scum play. Bearing in mind he was item thief and two unclears couldn’t be the item thief.

But now Jamie is voting for me believing I am the secretary who wanted to tell town that Bob was the alien. Why on earth would secretary do that? It would make some kind of sense for Item thief to do it I suppose, but keeping quiet would’ve prob led to Damo death anyway.

If you actually believe this conspiracy theory Jamie, you should hang up your Mafia boots mate.

So I think the way this went down if you are scum is that either:
a) you wanted to propose a good looking plan that you expected would fall because mafia players are disagreeable folks, and then y'all concocted a plan involving worcej claiming and you making a big show of arguing with him about it
b) you wanted to propose a good looking plan, and then worcej went off the rails of his own accord
c) you proposed a plan with the intention of surreptitiously outing the alien, and then realized in scum chat that you'd be better off if you got damo miskilled first, so worcej did his thing

b) applies to any of us, and I think is probably the only way things go down if either of the other two of us is scum. a and c are both plausible enough that I don't want to discount them, but it's also plausible that you'd just do what you did as town, so while it's not a conspiracy theory, it also isn't damning.

[Maniac]

Current appearances, updated:

Ghug: Tryharding, defensive, hedgy.
Maniac: Arrogant, narcissistic, dismissive.
Rdrivera: Dithering, delaying, uncertain.

One of these people is only putting on an act.

I was born beautiful and get more handsome with age, just telling it like it is.

I don't know what to tell you about the game. If anyone thinks worceJ and I devised a stupid scum plan which risked exposing both of us just so I could say that's too stupid at end of game, then they should vote for me and face ridicule in the god thread.

I know it's harder for you Jamie as you have three unclears, but my decision is easy. I think in a game with a third party and day mafia chat rdriveria would have been advised to keep himself anonymous so that they could feed us info about the Alien if needs be. There is no other use for the walkie-talkie thread apart from clearing players of one scum role (which he could've done later if needs be). Re-reading and posting length detailed reads isn't going tp change my mind.

So that leaves Ghug. Do I think he would kill Kgray for shits and giggles? Yes. Do I think he would keep Jamie alive until alien was dead? Yes. Do I think he has has done anything that screams town? No. The closest he gets to town is his D1 vote hopping between three people who turned out to be town, but that's hardly great proof.

We still need to agree our target and end before 11pm UK time. I'm not going to shift my vote, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but I've stated my reasons.

This is better.

Still, why did you assert that I had expressed views which I had not, in fact, expressed?

Just a mis-read on exchanges between you and Rdriveria. I’m going to blame it on the sunshine today, or the moonlight, or the good times and maybe the boogie.

[ghug]

Current appearances:

Ghug: Tryharding, defensive, hedgy.
Maniac: Arrogant, dismissive.
Rdrivera: Dithering, delaying, uncertain.

One of these people is only putting on an act.

Why am I hedgy while rd's uncertain, huh? Huh?
Maybe you just wanted to spice up your vocab though. I don't know...

[Jamiet99uk]

@Rdrivera: Why are you still not voting?

Because I am still trying to get more info before deciding. Considering my bad record this game, I will ##vote Ghug now.
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But it's not set in stone as obviously we need to reach at least a 3 person consensus.

The chances of obtaining a 4+ person consensus are probably quite low.

[Jamiet99uk]

I don't understand how anyone isn't dithering at this point.

Maniac endhammered on Ghug almost immediately. So, he is doing the very opposite of dithering.

Yet you agree with him that Ghug is scum.

[Jamiet99uk]

Current appearances:

Ghug: Tryharding, defensive, hedgy.
Maniac: Arrogant, dismissive.
Rdrivera: Dithering, delaying, uncertain.

One of these people is only putting on an act.

Why am I hedgy while rd's uncertain, huh? Huh?
Maybe you just wanted to spice up your vocab though. I don't know...

Do you scumread me as a result of this, Gugh?

[Jamiet99uk]

Current appearances:

Ghug: Tryharding, defensive, hedgy.
Maniac: Arrogant, dismissive.
Rdrivera: Dithering, delaying, uncertain.

One of these people is only putting on an act.

Why am I hedgy while rd's uncertain, huh? Huh?
Maybe you just wanted to spice up your vocab though. I don't know...

Do you scumread me as a result of this, Gugh?

But no seriously, hedgy and uncertain are not the same. There's a nuanced difference between them, especially as one involved voting and one did not.

[ghug]

Current appearances, updated:

Ghug: Tryharding, defensive, hedgy.
Maniac: Arrogant, narcissistic, dismissive.
Rdrivera: Dithering, delaying, uncertain.

One of these people is only putting on an act.

I was born beautiful and get more handsome with age, just telling it like it is.

I don't know what to tell you about the game. If anyone thinks worceJ and I devised a stupid scum plan which risked exposing both of us just so I could say that's too stupid at end of game, then they should vote for me and face ridicule in the god thread.

I know it's harder for you Jamie as you have three unclears, but my decision is easy. I think in a game with a third party and day mafia chat rdriveria would have been advised to keep himself anonymous so that they could feed us info about the Alien if needs be. There is no other use for the walkie-talkie thread apart from clearing players of one scum role (which he could've done later if needs be). Re-reading and posting length detailed reads isn't going tp change my mind.

So that leaves Ghug. Do I think he would kill Kgray for shits and giggles? Yes. Do I think he would keep Jamie alive until alien was dead? Yes. Do I think he has has done anything that screams town? No. The closest he gets to town is his D1 vote hopping between three people who turned out to be town, but that's hardly great proof.

We still need to agree our target and end before 11pm UK time. I'm not going to shift my vote, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but I've stated my reasons.

Your rd logic is awful. Scum not identifying themselves in the QT would absolutely come back to bite them whenever they eventually have to admit their item, and identifying oneself when that's what all the townies are doing is surprisingly sensible.

I probably would shoot a valuable townie like kgray, but so would brain and Bunny, so that's not damning. I think I would have shot Vecna, but that's neither here nor there. Leaning Jamie alive is not a point against me.

Why do we need to end today? If someone (me) has the containment field and isn't claiming it, we can kill them again tomorrow.

[ghug]

Current appearances:

Ghug: Tryharding, defensive, hedgy.
Maniac: Arrogant, dismissive.
Rdrivera: Dithering, delaying, uncertain.

One of these people is only putting on an act.

Why am I hedgy while rd's uncertain, huh? Huh?
Maybe you just wanted to spice up your vocab though. I don't know...

Do you scumread me as a result of this, Gugh?

I'm not sure, let me go reread you for a few hours.

[ghug]

Why am I hedgy while rd's uncertain, huh? Huh?
Maybe you just wanted to spice up your vocab though. I don't know...

Do you scumread me as a result of this, Gugh?

But no seriously, hedgy and uncertain are not the same. There's a nuanced difference between them, especially as one involved voting and one did not.

Yeah, I know. Much like rd, I don't see why anyone wouldn't be hedgy right now, though.

[Jamiet99uk]

Do you scumread me as a result of this, Gugh?

But no seriously, hedgy and uncertain are not the same. There's a nuanced difference between them, especially as one involved voting and one did not.

Yeah, I know. Much like rd, I don't see why anyone wouldn't be hedgy right now, though.

Then why aren't you alarmed by Maniac's immediate certainty that you were scum, so much so that he was willing to rapidly endvote you?

[ghug]

But no seriously, hedgy and uncertain are not the same. There's a nuanced difference between them, especially as one involved voting and one did not.

Yeah, I know. Much like rd, I don't see why anyone wouldn't be hedgy right now, though.

Then why aren't you alarmed by Maniac's immediate certainty that you were scum, so much so that he was willing to rapidly endvote you?

I covered that. I think scum are less likely to do alarming things it's hard to walk back from and more likely to dither while they wait for the other chips to fall.

[Jamiet99uk]

I think it is time for me to toss a coin.

[Jamiet99uk]

Maniac says he strongly scumreads Ghug and does not scumread Rdrivera. He has made it clear he will only vote Ghug today.

Rdrivera has expressed great uncertainty, is voting for Ghug but has also expressed reasons for potentially scumreading Maniac.

Ghug is voting for Rdrivera but did also express suspicions about Maniac.

[ghug]

Maniac says he strongly scumreads Ghug and does not scumread Rdrivera. He has made it clear he will only vote Ghug today.

Rdrivera has expressed great uncertainty, is voting for Ghug but has also expressed reasons for potentially scumreading Maniac.

Ghug is voting for Rdrivera but did also express suspicions about Maniac.

How do you feel?