Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

[ghug]

##vote WorceJ

Are we end hammering? I think we should

I'll leave that up to Jamie and Vecna. Comes down to whether they want time, but I'd prefer to hammer.

##VOTE worcej

[ghug]

Oh lol ok

[dargorygel]

##vote WorceJ

Are we end hammering? I think we should

I'll leave that up to Jamie and Vecna. Comes down to whether they want time, but I'd prefer to hammer.

##VOTE worcej

I have ALWAYS wanted to do a night vote count!

night vote count:
WORCEJ (1) ghug

[ghug]

Ok clears, I'm willing to do some homework, but unstructured KILOs are won by the best arguers, so you should be directing discussion.

Gun to my head I'm leaning Maniac right now, but I'm unsure.

[Jamiet99uk]

##vote WorceJ

Are we end hammering? I think we should

I'll leave that up to Jamie and Vecna. Comes down to whether they want time, but I'd prefer to hammer.

##VOTE worcej

It's night time, Ghug.

[Jamiet99uk]

##vote WorceJ

Are we end hammering? I think we should

I'll leave that up to Jamie and Vecna. Comes down to whether they want time, but I'd prefer to hammer.

##VOTE worcej

I have ALWAYS wanted to do a night vote count!

night vote count:
WORCEJ (1) ghug

What, these officially count?

##Vote Uclabb

[Vecna]

that was the flip that didnt clear maniac eh?

[ghug]

that was the flip that didnt clear maniac eh?

If he'd flipped secretary, I'd be confirmed scum. As is, it cleared nobody.

[Maniac]

I’ve been having a read through Bonatogether D3. He had suspicions about me, Vecna and Fox and voted fox. Vecna was his weakest scum read.

From scum POV using the frame on Vecna makes sense. Framing a townie gets them killed, but framing one of their own gets them a pass in to late game. They could’ve anticipated that bonatogether would scan from the maniac/foxy/Vecna pool and if Vecna is scum they they would frame him and hope the shaman would they reveal bonatogether’s result.

It’s a good play for sure. I still feel as if Ghug is scum, but no one apart from Jamie is clear.

[rdrivera2005]

I’ve been having a read through Bonatogether D3. He had suspicions about me, Vecna and Fox and voted fox. Vecna was his weakest scum read.

From scum POV using the frame on Vecna makes sense. Framing a townie gets them killed, but framing one of their own gets them a pass in to late game. They could’ve anticipated that bonatogether would scan from the maniac/foxy/Vecna pool and if Vecna is scum they they would frame him and hope the shaman would they reveal bonatogether’s result.

It’s a good play for sure. I still feel as if Ghug is scum, but no one apart from Jamie is clear.

Let's be honest, if Vecna is scum, kudos to scumteam for a well deserved victory. I confess I am not completely sure he will be alive tomorrow.

I know I am 100% vanilla town, so I need to carefully choose between Maniac and Ghug. I suppose I can follow the clear, but I don't see why he will have a better read then me.

Whover is town between Ghug and Maniac have to do an equivalent work. And Vecna or Jamiet will have an even harder time as they will need to choose between three.

And scum just have to find a miskill.

[Vecna]

Rdrivera, can you walk us down memory lane on how you solved the game so quickly?

All throughout the game your scumreads seemingly came out of nowhere. Walk us through what made you conclude the different scum guys were scum when you did.

[Vecna]

also, id like a recollection of all the stuff talked about in the QT now that it can still be verified by 1 town.

[Maniac]

also, id like a recollection of all the stuff talked about in the QT now that it can still be verified by 1 town.

N1 - Goofing about, everyone choose to stay anonymous at first. I played the alien and spoke in alien. Jasnah used several aliases. Lots of GM deleted posts which I never read before deletion. Jasnah revealed her true id first, then me and then rdriveria late on N1. No useful discussions.

N2 - we toyed with the idea of creating a voting block and as jas was town read then to follow her lead and we proposed a code, but that didn't happen because Jas was killed.

N3 - nothing useful. I floated the idea we both soft that we have a useful item to encourage IT to steal a useless walkie-talkie, but we didn't pursue this.

Rest of nights very little discussion apart from checking in to confirm we're not camped, and talk about how useless the chat is really.

[Maniac]

I’ve been having a read through Bonatogether D3. He had suspicions about me, Vecna and Fox and voted fox. Vecna was his weakest scum read.

From scum POV using the frame on Vecna makes sense. Framing a townie gets them killed, but framing one of their own gets them a pass in to late game. They could’ve anticipated that bonatogether would scan from the maniac/foxy/Vecna pool and if Vecna is scum they they would frame him and hope the shaman would they reveal bonatogether’s result.

It’s a good play for sure. I still feel as if Ghug is scum, but no one apart from Jamie is clear.

Let's be honest, if Vecna is scum, kudos to scumteam for a well deserved victory. I confess I am not completely sure he will be alive tomorrow.

I know I am 100% vanilla town, so I need to carefully choose between Maniac and Ghug. I suppose I can follow the clear, but I don't see why he will have a better read then me.

Whover is town between Ghug and Maniac have to do an equivalent work. And Vecna or Jamiet will have an even harder time as they will need to choose between three.

And scum just have to find a miskill.

Yeah, I guess just because vecna could technically still be scum doesn't mean it is and if he wins as scum because of their good play/ good fortune then so be it. I can almost hear the God thread screaming at me for not pursuing vecna, but that's just may just be the voices in my head.

I'd like to commit to re=reading everything Ghug and Rdriveria have said, but in truth my overall impression is that the remaining scum is Ghug and I can't see me voting any other way. I don't recall either of them doing anything particularly useful but if ghug were town I'd expect much more engagement and him trying to lead town and more scum hunting. It could be because a lot of kills became guided by mechanics that everyone took a back seat, idk.

With regards to defending myself. I was quiet initially because of real life stuff which definitely didn't include visiting my aunt. I'm 54 so my aunts are all elderly and we're still in strict lockdown here in the UK. I think BB was trying to plant a seed that I had spoken about my aunts in the mafia thread. He is lying scum, don't fall for his lies. Apart from that I've tried to look at all the kills even if they have been widely agreed upon and my push on Bob inadvertently led to WorceJ revealing himself. So I should get some town points for that.

In summary, I can't see me voting anyone apart from ghug unless new information comes to light. I'll listen to everyone's arguements, but wanted to state my position clearly.

[rdrivera2005]

Rdrivera, can you walk us down memory lane on how you solved the game so quickly?

All throughout the game your scumreads seemingly came out of nowhere. Walk us through what made you conclude the different scum guys were scum when you did.

I don't think I solved the game fast or slowly. For a long time my top scumread was Fox and I was scumreading you on D2. I don't think I ever had a solid scumread on Bunny, but this is from memory, didn't check.

[rdrivera2005]

also, id like a recollection of all the stuff talked about in the QT now that it can still be verified by 1 town.

N1 - Goofing about, everyone choose to stay anonymous at first. I played the alien and spoke in alien. Jasnah used several aliases. Lots of GM deleted posts which I never read before deletion. Jasnah revealed her true id first, then me and then rdriveria late on N1. No useful discussions.

N2 - we toyed with the idea of creating a voting block and as jas was town read then to follow her lead and we proposed a code, but that didn't happen because Jas was killed.

N3 - nothing useful. I floated the idea we both soft that we have a useful item to encourage IT to steal a useless walkie-talkie, but we didn't pursue this.

Rest of nights very little discussion apart from checking in to confirm we're not camped, and talk about how useless the chat is really.

This is a good summary. On N2 I was scumreading Fox, Ghug, Vecna and Brain for Chaqa's death. Jasnah told he likes Vecna less and less and did that gamble on the main thread telling he will sheep me. In fact we agreed to sheep him. I would have pushed Vecna that day, but after I slipped Jasnah message on the QT I decided keep pushing Fox as it was my top scumread

[Jamiet99uk]

Hey scum I've got a deal for you:

Leave me alive, and I'll flip a coin tomorrow.

You get a 50% chance of winning.

[Vecna]

itd be pretty hilarious if it turns out jamiet is the last scum and he's just been making up results all this time

[Maniac]

itd be pretty hilarious if it turns out jamiet is the last scum and he's just been making up results all this time

MVP secured as is Mafia legendary status and probably his own star on a pavement somewhere.

[Maniac]

Hey scum I've got a deal for you:

Leave me alive, and I'll flip a coin tomorrow.

You get a 50% chance of winning.

Assuming that Vecna dies if you don’t then you have three uncleared. What shape is you coin and how is that 50/50?