Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

[Jamiet99uk]

@jamie, Fox, Vecna and also I suppose Ghug.

How would you play the walkie-talkie QT if you were scum? Would you stay quiet or possibly stay anonymous so you can negotiate with town if the need arose?

The fact rdriveria declared his identity N1 (or N2 ill check) gives me a strong sense that he isn’t scum, but I’d like to hear other’s views.

Personally I would glibly reveal my identity in the hope of seeking towny, and then use the QT to bus exactly one of my team-mates, but that's just me.

[Foxcastle]

Right now, im actually inclined to believe its either Maniac or Fox.

Maybe mechanics will prove me wrong on both accounts. Thatd be neat.

It's definitely not me. I don't think it's Maniac.

[Foxcastle]

Just putting it out there:

If someone was actually saved last night by fox, we need to know that information. If Fox saved someone, that someone needs to confirm it at EoN.

And for Fox: I know if youre town this is a shit demand to make of you, but realize that if we reach the 4way, and you are not yet cleared, you probably will have to be the policy-kill. You can still get away with not using it tonight. If you somehow survive this night, the next night will be the last opportunity. We can not no-kill in the 4way just to have you use it during that night, because if you target town and scum kill a different town, it will be 1 town vote vs 1 scum vote since your thing disables a vote and a person to kill. Having a person disabled as soon as the 4way starts is fine (although it can still be problematic if scum cannot be daykilled there ofcourse).

Exciting choices. The outcome of this game probably banks on them.

No pressure. And I dont wanna force my way of thinking on you. But fmpov you might very well still be the most suspicious person remaining in the game since we have not managed to observe your role whatsoever. And if we think about it.....was the item theft reveal to the shaman really something scum could not have investigated further in their QT?

And if youre town, ofcourse nothing of this blabbering im doing really matters, since scum will know you can clear yourself so they will be forced to deal with you. But just dont put the survivors in the position where we enter the 4way with you still unclear. thatd be bad.

If someone was saved last night, they should definitely speak up, because that means we need to work through some stuff, since the GMs clearly indicated that my actions last night did not result in anyone being saved.

Also, keep in mind that the scum have the alien microbe ray that they stole from me, so if I was scum, I could very easily manufacture a "save" with that. As it is, we just need to be careful of them using it to cause confusion.

And policy killing me is not necessarily shitty, but I must say that you are running a little wild here with this theory. I get that I am not cleared, but from my point of view, it's frustrating to watch you waste your time like this.

[ghug]

@jamie, Fox, Vecna and also I suppose Ghug.

How would you play the walkie-talkie QT if you were scum? Would you stay quiet or possibly stay anonymous so you can negotiate with town if the need arose?

The fact rdriveria declared his identity N1 (or N2 ill check) gives me a strong sense that he isn’t scum, but I’d like to hear other’s views.

I feel like I'd be worried about an item claim as scum and behave as if I were town in there.

[ghug]

(Ghug, if youre scum, ive said youre town now, so please kill me)

Order queued.

I kinda want to just trust Fox. Worcej's bitterness about the two of you being cleared seemed authentic to me.

[rdrivera2005]

Rdrivera on reread during D2-D3 also looks really solid though. Almost too solid?

If he is scum he bussed pretty much his entire team in extreme rapid fire:

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g= ... rivera2005

pew-pew-pew taking shots at every single scum person that we know has flipped so far. Taking serious shots at em as well. Real bad shading.

Second thought: Is scum really this indignant over the gm's if Rdrivera is scum? EMc, town, modkilled N1. Rdrivera, scum, avoided modkill D1 after missing the vote. Brainbomb was pissed early on, due to the Thamrick thing. Much more likely he is that indignant if a town Rdrivera also escaped death. Much harder to be really indignant there if a town was modkilled and a scum escaped death.

The only thing about Rdrivera giving me pause: His tone has been so angry all game. Totally in line with the other scum.

If you are doing a full re-read you can probably see that I am a lot less angry in the last days, exactly the opposite of Worcej. Wonder why?

[Vecna]

Rdrivera on reread during D2-D3 also looks really solid though. Almost too solid?

If he is scum he bussed pretty much his entire team in extreme rapid fire:

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g= ... rivera2005

pew-pew-pew taking shots at every single scum person that we know has flipped so far. Taking serious shots at em as well. Real bad shading.

Second thought: Is scum really this indignant over the gm's if Rdrivera is scum? EMc, town, modkilled N1. Rdrivera, scum, avoided modkill D1 after missing the vote. Brainbomb was pissed early on, due to the Thamrick thing. Much more likely he is that indignant if a town Rdrivera also escaped death. Much harder to be really indignant there if a town was modkilled and a scum escaped death.

The only thing about Rdrivera giving me pause: His tone has been so angry all game. Totally in line with the other scum.

If you are doing a full re-read you can probably see that I am a lot less angry in the last days, exactly the opposite of Worcej. Wonder why?

Worcej was just faking being angry, and you were angry at exactly the time all other scum seemed angry though

Im just grasping at straws here because I dont really have reasons to suspect anyone.

[Foxcastle]

The extent to which ghug, Maniac, and Rdrivera behave similarly in voting is maddening.

[rdrivera2005]

The extent to which ghug, Maniac, and Rdrivera behave similarly in voting is maddening.

Well, I didn´t vote D1. And after D2 the VCA is pretty useless.

[rdrivera2005]

The extent to which ghug, Maniac, and Rdrivera behave similarly in voting is maddening.

I suggest you do save someone tonight so we can have an extra kill (it could even be me, to avoid any last alien risk).

[Foxcastle]

The extent to which ghug, Maniac, and Rdrivera behave similarly in voting is maddening.

Well, I didn´t vote D1. And after D2 the VCA is pretty useless.

You three were all sitting on my wagon D2.

Maniac and ghug both got onto the Brainbomb wagon late on D3, but not last minute.

The three of you were hanging out on the tail of Tham's wagon on D4.

You and ghug voted right next to Worcej and D5.

You and maniac voted right next to each other on D6.

You and ghug voted right next to eachother on D7.

It doesn't point to one of you being scum over the others, it's just weirdly unlikely.

[Foxcastle]

Well, for as dramatic as this point in the game should be, it's pretty damn quiet.

[Foxcastle]

Anyway, kill Worcej, then go ghug, rdr, Maniac.

[ghug]

Anyway, kill Worcej, then go ghug, rdr, Maniac.

It feels like I've become the default scumread for no good reason and I don't know what to do about it.

[rdrivera2005]

Anyway, kill Worcej, then go ghug, rdr, Maniac.

It feels like I've become the default scumread for no good reason and I don't know what to do about it.

I intend to do a full re-read of Maniac and Ghug and whoever is the third one that will be in milo with me, but I don't think doing it now is the best choice as we will have a (short) day and a night before it.

I still think it's Ghug. I had some suspicion about Maniac based on Jasnah being the NK on N2, but Maniac's last days have been pretty solid Town to me.
I agree with Vecna that Fox being alive last day will be weird, but I will only worry with this if it happens.

[Foxcastle]

Anyway, kill Worcej, then go ghug, rdr, Maniac.

It feels like I've become the default scumread for no good reason and I don't know what to do about it.

I don't suspect you for any specific reason, I just suspect everyone else less.

[Maniac]

If I did tonight....

...who am I kidding, I’m too handsome to be killed.

[Jamiet99uk]

If I did tonight....

...who am I kidding, I’m too handsome to be killed.

If you did what?

[Vecna]

Huh, I didnt forget about this for once.

No clue how likely I am to die. I dont really feel I have a super strong idea of who the last scum is. If its maniac, he's been playing a lot more aggressive and talkative during the last few days than his last game as alien or scum faction (forgot what it ended up being). He did fight the Tham wagon pretty hard.

Rdrivera - Its possible I guess that he just has been bussing all his teammates. There is very little actual process that we can follow for him to get to his reads, so its hard to deduce if it was genuine or not. His reads sure were good.

If I die, GL, out of time.

probably kill ghug just for the heck of it

[Jamiet99uk]

If I die tonight, kill Worcej.

I've given my other opinions.