Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

[Vecna]

@worcej

I dont see any reason why we dont do a fast forward type of deal

Use jamiet to scan untill we find 2 more infections. Fox removes 1, you guys NK the other. Set up a cosy 3 way lylo where we duke it out

#aliencansuckit

[Vecna]

talk about a laaaaame plan

I love it

[damo666]

There is no deal because I am not alien. Worcej is lying and discussion of killing anyone tomorrow other than the alien is redundant.

After I am Dkd the count will be T5 M2 A1 Non-A 5 A 3 which becomes 4-4 after alien infects.

As scum have no knowledge of who is infected THEY HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO NOT KILL

Then tomorrow if you are not voting the right target worcej has to reveal if he is scum or an unknown scum has to reveal if worcej is alien.

However if worcej is alien then the 2 scum know he is lying and would be a no win strategy from alien worcej.

Therefore worcej is scum.

Either ghug is alien with rdr or Maniac as worcej's partner

Or

Bob is alien with ghug, rdr or Maniac as worcej's partner

Or

an extremely crafty Vecna is alien with g r or M as w partner

Of course scum could throw the game to alien but that would be against their win con and in my opinion the game would be null and void.

I am perfectly happy to self vote once we have heard what ghug has to say.

Basically, alien has lost unless scum gift the game and scum have next to no chance.

I understand scum's frustration but that is the situation.

Town victory or void game.

[Jamiet99uk]

We gave you one of us (me), you owe us a clear to be even close to equal.

Oh you're actually hardclaiming scum?

Thanks. Bold move but the right one if we want to stop the tentacled horror from outer space.

[Jamiet99uk]

There is no deal because I am not alien. Worcej is lying and discussion of killing anyone tomorrow other than the alien is redundant.

I'm sorry, why on Earth would Worcej claim to be scum and then lie in a manner which would protect the Alien?

[Jamiet99uk]

This time Damo really is on drugs. Outer space LSD.

[Jamiet99uk]

Ave, Vecna. Do you believe Worcej's scum claim?

[damo666]

There is no deal because I am not alien. Worcej is lying and discussion of killing anyone tomorrow other than the alien is redundant.

I'm sorry, why on Earth would Worcej claim to be scum and then lie in a manner which would protect the Alien?

I've explained this a bazillion times. Scum worcej can allow infected town me to die because it reduces the town/mafia ratio and alien cannot win during the night as Mafia can hold their kill. Mafia (worcej) reveals the real alien tomorrow.

Got it?

D6 dk Damo
N6 no kill
D7 kill alien

They then go into N7 5-2 down they kill a clear (you or Fox say) and it goes to 4-2.
D8 dk worcej 4-1.
N8 nk another clear 3-1.

Go into d9 with:

a) Vecna, Maniac, rdr and ghug if Bob is alien
b) Bob, Vecna, rdr and Maniac if ghug is alien
c) Bob, Maniac, rdr and ghug if Vecna is alien

From there it's either town victory or miskill followed by draw.

Actually this is new. Scum could get an honourable draw. Well played worcej.

[Maniac]

Hard claiming scum is not a move scum take lightly.

At some point we have to ask ourselves why worceJ in effect derailed a straight-eight vote on Bob. Obv if Bob is secretary then it’s scum game over.

If Bob is town wouldn’t scum have just taken a punt on Bob being infected? Kill/no kill tonight and then reveal alien if they know who it is tomorrow?

[rdrivera2005]

Well, I don't see any other option then ##vote Damo

Woŕcej outing this early is a bit weird as I think Damo would have been killed anyway.

But I am willing to honor Vecna deal.

[Foxcastle]

Several pages behind, apologies, will be a busy day for me IRL and I might be limited in contributing.

I am not seeing what I would call a strong indicator that our scum team is trying to signal that we should go ahead with Bob.

Maybe we should try worcej or ghug.

I think as a backup plan, killing Damo needs to be on the table, since we know he's infected. And possibly consider no-kill as well, since killing Damo but allowing a new infection does not actually help us that much.

We also potentially have a way to communicate with the scum team by coordinating their NK with my save and with their use of the alien microbe ray that they stole from me. The problem is that the alien can use their kill to disrupt the message, or just to take advantage of the situation and get a kill off.

[Foxcastle]

Several pages behind, apologies, will be a busy day for me IRL and I might be limited in contributing.

I am not seeing what I would call a strong indicator that our scum team is trying to signal that we should go ahead with Bob.

Maybe we should try worcej or ghug.

I think as a backup plan, killing Damo needs to be on the table, since we know he's infected. And possibly consider no-kill as well, since killing Damo but allowing a new infection does not actually help us that much.

We also potentially have a way to communicate with the scum team by coordinating their NK with my save and with their use of the alien microbe ray that they stole from me. The problem is that the alien can use their kill to disrupt the message, or just to take advantage of the situation and get a kill off.

Oh, I see this is already very, very outdated.

[Foxcastle]

@Fox - I can't see you being alien at this point. You're either the shaman orscum, so I'm going to ask you to make a case on who you think could be the alien and make an ordered list to see if we can get eight people agreeing with you.

I'm just tunneling Damo as alien at this point, and am unclear how the rest of you don't see it, so be aware that this is not going to be an enlightened list. But I know there have been big developments in the coming pages, so sit tight!

[damo666]

@Fox almost impossible organise a no kill isn't it?

[Foxcastle]

(Seriously, are people still this unaware that Fox claimed shaman? That he communed with dead bona, and that there was a copscan on me? I can only be scum if Fox is also scum).

Isn't there a chance that you were lawyered the night Bona scanned you? I'm not actually double checking the mechanics on that and I think it's a negligible possibility. For all intents and purposes, I'm not entertaining any idea that Vecna is scum and don't think it's a useful discussion.

[ghug]

why are you so upset about worcej votes? got some secret knowledge that he isnt the alien?

I am not upset, I am suggesting we do the same thing we are doing with Bob, with Worcej. Is probably better then voting Bob as I don't think Bob is scum.

Also, bad call. You need to be on damo.

Like need need?

[ghug]

Vecna and I confirming the use "nothing happens" as a non cure result as good as guarantees Vecna and I cannot be alien.

You're fully capable of asking the GMs this question, or even actually using the item on someone you know is not infected.

[ghug]

I agree with this. The threshold should be 7 including me.

well worcej already declined, and i don't intend on voting myself

Yes. Five so far with 2 to speak. Unless both vote you we can assume you are not alien.

It has to be 8. The mafia aren't going to out both teammates over this.

[damo666]

With the alien already voting for me my death is inevitable.

##vote Damo

My best bet is ghug is alien and Maniac or rdr is worcej's partner.

To be fair to scum vote ghug tomorrow. If someone else is alien worcej will have to reveal but his partner remains hidden.

Good luck town.

[Foxcastle]

##VOTE DAMO