Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

[ghug]

scum know who alien is (presumably)

Town know it's definitely not rdr or Maniac and on the face of it not Fox, Vecna or Jamie.

Think on

Are you claiming that you kitted Maniac?

Yes, and nothing happened implying Maniac is neither alien nor infected

Ok, so Maniac is cleared of being alien, and he's either not infected or you're the alien.

[ghug]

I agree that if damo isn't the alien, scum have to tell us now.

[damo666]

Current count

T M A A&I N
6 2 1 5 4 (presumably)

scum allow my miskill

5 2 1 4 4

N6 scum kill town infectee

4 2 1 3 4

but alien infects so

4 2 1 4 3 alien wins

So scum must NK/target alien

5 2 1 4 4

but alien infects

5 2 1 5 3 alien wins

SCUM HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO TELL US WHO ALIEN IS SINCE THEY KNOW I AM TOWN

What is N?

Non-infected or Not Infected or Not alien or whatever you want that is the count of those alive who are neither alien or infected.

[damo666]

Are you claiming that you kitted Maniac?

Yes, and nothing happened implying Maniac is neither alien nor infected

Ok, so Maniac is cleared of being alien, and he's either not infected or you're the alien.

Yes

[damo666]

Proposal:

Everyone self votes until Scum reveal who alien is.

##vote damo

If you are town you will quickly agree with this and comply.

It works even if I'm the alien!

And as proved before scum can't afford to frame me.

[damo666]

Mafpair frantically chatting about who should be sacrificed.

[ghug]

Proposal:

Everyone self votes until Scum reveal who alien is.

##vote damo

If you are town you will quickly agree with this and comply.

It works even if I'm the alien!

And as proved before scum can't afford to frame me.

I'll do this if it's what we're doing, but I don't think it's likely to work.

[damo666]

Come on people. Work it out.

Self vote and blackmail scum into revealing who the alien is.

Rocket science it is not.

[damo666]

Proposal:

Everyone self votes until Scum reveal who alien is.

##vote damo

If you are town you will quickly agree with this and comply.

It works even if I'm the alien!

And as proved before scum can't afford to frame me.

I'll do this if it's what we're doing, but I don't think it's likely to work.

Why not? If scum do not reveal it is alien auto victory.

[damo666]

@rdr @Maniac (and presumably @Jamie)

as non aliens please follow my logic through and join me in self vote to get the ball rolling

[ghug]

Come on people. Work it out.

Self vote and blackmail scum into revealing who the alien is.

Rocket science it is not.

There's no way you don't see that this is a symmetrical game of chicken. It strikes me more as a hail-mary to create chaos in the hopes that you'll be able to swing the vote at the end.

Let's put in a good faith effort as town to catch the alien, and trust that scum will out in self-preservation if we're getting it wrong, rather than waste our time on gimmicks.

[damo666]

Come on people. Work it out.

Self vote and blackmail scum into revealing who the alien is.

Rocket science it is not.

There's no way you don't see that this is a symmetrical game of chicken. It strikes me more as a hail-mary to create chaos in the hopes that you'll be able to swing the vote at the end.

Let's put in a good faith effort as town to catch the alien, and trust that scum will out in self-preservation if we're getting it wrong, rather than waste our time on gimmicks.

As someone who is quite logical this makes you look VERY alien/scum

[ghug]

Come on people. Work it out.

Self vote and blackmail scum into revealing who the alien is.

Rocket science it is not.

There's no way you don't see that this is a symmetrical game of chicken. It strikes me more as a hail-mary to create chaos in the hopes that you'll be able to swing the vote at the end.

Let's put in a good faith effort as town to catch the alien, and trust that scum will out in self-preservation if we're getting it wrong, rather than waste our time on gimmicks.

As someone who is quite logical this makes you look VERY alien/scum

As someone who's quite logical, I don't think a team of six who are still trying to find each other are going to beat a team of two in a game of coordinated chicken. Town will blink first, so we might as well blink now, use the time to work, and create a scenario where scum have to blink if we're getting it wrong.

[Jamiet99uk]

##VOTE JAMIE

[Jamiet99uk]

Current reads:

Scum: Foxcastle and Maniac
Alien: Ghug or Damo

[Foxcastle]

Hey fox, what about the part of bona claiming his item was not stolen? How would he know? Didnt the gm confirm people dying were not informed if their item was stolen?

Thoughts on that statement? I believe you only got to ask a question and receive a basic answer right? Slightly more info?

I asked who he investigated and what the result was, and if there was anything else he wanted to tell town.

I believe ND's clarification was that (implicitly living) players were told their item was stolen at the start of the day, which I assume means as part of the EON process.

##CALL GM: Since the Item Thief operates prior to the NK in the order of operations, would a dead player be able to report whether their item was stolen to the shaman?

[ghug]

Current reads:

Scum: Foxcastle and Maniac
Alien: Ghug or Damo

You're actually buying the rd crap and ignoring multiple days of spearheading the alien search?

[damo666]

Come on people. Work it out.

Self vote and blackmail scum into revealing who the alien is.

Rocket science it is not.

There's no way you don't see that this is a symmetrical game of chicken. It strikes me more as a hail-mary to create chaos in the hopes that you'll be able to swing the vote at the end.

Let's put in a good faith effort as town to catch the alien, and trust that scum will out in self-preservation if we're getting it wrong, rather than waste our time on gimmicks.

If I were alien then scum would presumably call my bluff before EOD if needs be.

I could be scum setting up a quasi town clear for myself while my partner reveals the alien.

Or I could be infected town surprsie, surprise.

In any case it works and in no case can it be a ploy as you decribe.

[Foxcastle]

Proposal:

Everyone self votes until Scum reveal who alien is.

##vote damo

##END

[damo666]

Proposal:

Everyone self votes until Scum reveal who alien is.

##vote damo

##END

Fox is either alien or idiot