Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

[BobMcBob]

vecna you are so mean
i hope scum kill you instead

but yeah, i agree with pretty much everything that has been said
fox is very likely mafia
mafia have a very set group of people they probably want to kill from (vecna, rdr, jamie and maybe me)
alien most likely lies among the remainder (if not then we probably lose)

knowing this im unsure where alien is most likely to infect, because in either group they risk hitting a disinfect/kill, so i think alien is most likely just gonna be guessing anyway, as long as we dont give them exact people to avoid

im not sure how good our position is exactly, we are likely at 9-3 right now
if we get decent luck on our scans or alien picks a bad target we set back the alien further, but only to 7-3 (or 7-2 if were lucky on both)
with those numbers though, it doesnt look good for us if we dont find the alien within the next 2 days
we can still make it through 2 days without finding them but itll require quite a bit of luck or good guessing

Currently almost certainly 6-3

could go 5-4, 6-3, 7-2, 5-3, 4-4, 6-2, 4-3, 5-2, 6-1

when i say 9-3 i mean 9 total 3 of which have alien dna
it just makes it slightly less confusing to do the maths

[damo666]

I understood what you meant. I'm pointing out there is quite a wide variance of the possible outcomes.

It'll be clearer in about 7 hours or so.

It's not so bad (unless Vecna alien).

[BobMcBob]

I understood what you meant. I'm pointing out there is quite a wide variance of the possible outcomes.

It'll be clearer in about 7 hours or so.

It's not so bad (unless Vecna alien).

yeah theres definitely a huge possible variance, but only some of those options are likely to occur
i think most of the likely options result in a 2 day clock, although more if were lucky and less if were not

[Jamiet99uk]

vecna you are so mean
i hope scum kill you instead

but yeah, i agree with pretty much everything that has been said
fox is very likely mafia
mafia have a very set group of people they probably want to kill from (vecna, rdr, jamie and maybe me)
alien most likely lies among the remainder (if not then we probably lose)

knowing this im unsure where alien is most likely to infect, because in either group they risk hitting a disinfect/kill, so i think alien is most likely just gonna be guessing anyway, as long as we dont give them exact people to avoid

im not sure how good our position is exactly, we are likely at 9-3 right now
if we get decent luck on our scans or alien picks a bad target we set back the alien further, but only to 7-3 (or 7-2 if were lucky on both)
with those numbers though, it doesnt look good for us if we dont find the alien within the next 2 days
we can still make it through 2 days without finding them but itll require quite a bit of luck or good guessing

If scum kill a non-infected person tonight, we could be only one infection or kill from defeat. So, only 1 day, not 2.

[Vecna]

Hey guys, im sick atm so I probably wont participate a great deal today.

We all get to pray that Jamiet has a result incoming thatll clear any of maniac/damo/ghug/worcej

I think jamiet should give damo 2 targets to pick from maniac/ghug/worcej (obviously those he has not scanned last night or this night). Damo should in no circumstance kit himself.

I hope you feel better soon.

I am ok with this idea. I would ask Damo to target his Kit on either Ghug or Vecna - because if Vecna is not alien there is a very strong chance he's been infected by now, yes?

trying to reason out if scum are likely to get 3 or 4 more NK's. Guess itll depend on whether all their kills succeed or not, and how gm's will adjudicate the no-kill succession in this game.

Im guessing im the 4th most likely NK (after rdrivera/jamiet/bob).

No idea how the alien would estimate my chances of survival until the endgame on N2 or N3. Its impossible I guess that I would be infected (although im guessing id be a much better target on N3 after a bunch of other PR's and semi-clears popped in). Regardless, not gonna interfere too much - you made the call, im fine with it.

[Vecna]

## call gm (sorry if these have been answered, but I dont think they have yet)

-Where would you inform on the result of the wetkit? In a PM to the gunman, or in the scum QT?

-How will you resolve a standoff between scum and town alternating no kills in a 4way. Who has to make a kill first?

[Jamiet99uk]

If someone has a Triage kit I'd really appreciate being their target tonight because the Alien is quite likely to try to kill me.

[Jamiet99uk]

## call gm (sorry if these have been answered, but I dont think they have yet)

-Where would you inform on the result of the wetkit? In a PM to the gunman, or in the scum QT?

-How will you resolve a standoff between scum and town alternating no kills in a 4way. Who has to make a kill first?

How can there be a 4-way?

There are three factions in this game, not four.

[Vecna]

btw, I hope you confirmed with the gm's whether theres some way of knowing whether the alien has fucked with your targets

My reports have specifically been listing the name of the person the report is on (like words to the effect of "you scanned Rdrivera last night and you find that he is not infected") rather than a more generic "your target was not infected" so I am confident that if the Alien re-directed my action, I would know that I ended up getting a report on someone else.

Doesnt this also mean the scum also know your targets? did you confirm whether they do/dont?

[Vecna]

## call gm (sorry if these have been answered, but I dont think they have yet)

-Where would you inform on the result of the wetkit? In a PM to the gunman, or in the scum QT?

-How will you resolve a standoff between scum and town alternating no kills in a 4way. Who has to make a kill first?

How can there be a 4-way?

There are three factions in this game, not four.

3 players 1 scum mylo

[Vecna]

3 town 1 scum*

[Vecna]

If someone has a Triage kit I'd really appreciate being their target tonight because the Alien is quite likely to try to kill me.

I still think killing is a terrible option for the alien. it lowers the pool for us to find him in and doesnt actually help his win condition.

So i sort of doubt he will

[Foxcastle]

If someone has a Triage kit I'd really appreciate being their target tonight because the Alien is quite likely to try to kill me.

I still think killing is a terrible option for the alien. it lowers the pool for us to find him in and doesnt actually help his win condition.

So i sort of doubt he will

Does the alien count as infected for the purposes of the majority?

We're at 9 now, if the alien is 3 infections, then the right 2 kills means that they win, and killing Jamie means that if they don't get the right 2 kills, they at least have a good chance of making more infections that go undetected.

If the alien does not count for the majority, then I still think taking out Jamie is the best option for the Jamie, as Jamie is our best chance of thwarting the alien.

So I don't think it's a simple as all that.

[damo666]

If someone has a Triage kit I'd really appreciate being their target tonight because the Alien is quite likely to try to kill me.

I still think killing is a terrible option for the alien. it lowers the pool for us to find him in and doesnt actually help his win condition.

So i sort of doubt he will

Sssshhh!!!

[damo666]

If someone has a Triage kit I'd really appreciate being their target tonight because the Alien is quite likely to try to kill me.

I still think killing is a terrible option for the alien. it lowers the pool for us to find him in and doesnt actually help his win condition.

So i sort of doubt he will

Does the alien count as infected for the purposes of the majority?

We're at 9 now, if the alien is 3 infections, then the right 2 kills means that they win, and killing Jamie means that if they don't get the right 2 kills, they at least have a good chance of making more infections that go undetected.

If the alien does not count for the majority, then I still think taking out Jamie is the best option for the Jamie, as Jamie is our best chance of thwarting the alien.

So I don't think it's a simple as all that.

alien counts if alive

wcs scum kill uninfected, alien infects, I do not disinfect: 4-4 with 5 (?) suspects and the need to dk alien.

[Vecna]

If someone has a Triage kit I'd really appreciate being their target tonight because the Alien is quite likely to try to kill me.

I still think killing is a terrible option for the alien. it lowers the pool for us to find him in and doesnt actually help his win condition.

So i sort of doubt he will

Does the alien count as infected for the purposes of the majority?

We're at 9 now, if the alien is 3 infections, then the right 2 kills means that they win, and killing Jamie means that if they don't get the right 2 kills, they at least have a good chance of making more infections that go undetected.

If the alien does not count for the majority, then I still think taking out Jamie is the best option for the Jamie, as Jamie is our best chance of thwarting the alien.

So I don't think it's a simple as all that.

the N1 and N4 infections are no longer infected. N2 and N3 infections exist, if theyre still alive.

If he kills tonight, he can at most have 3 people with DNA tomorrow

[Vecna]

If someone has a Triage kit I'd really appreciate being their target tonight because the Alien is quite likely to try to kill me.

I still think killing is a terrible option for the alien. it lowers the pool for us to find him in and doesnt actually help his win condition.

So i sort of doubt he will

Sssshhh!!!

Yeah keep up the appearances damo. Like you, Ghug or Worcej wouldnt figure out the obvious, right?

The aliens done everything right from what we can judge to this point, so this post is once again not working in your favor at all.

[damo666]

I still think killing is a terrible option for the alien. it lowers the pool for us to find him in and doesnt actually help his win condition.

So i sort of doubt he will

Sssshhh!!!

Yeah keep up the appearances damo. Like you, Ghug or Worcej wouldnt figure out the obvious, right?

The aliens done everything right from what we can judge to this point, so this post is once again not working in your favor at all.

Well if the alien's done nothing wrong it rules me out eh?

[damo666]

Anyway if I thought the alien hadn't worked that out for themselves I'd have hardly drawn more attention to it would I?

And if you, Vecna, say I would what about yourself? Are you playing a really clever alien game?

[damo666]

I still think killing is a terrible option for the alien. it lowers the pool for us to find him in and doesnt actually help his win condition.

So i sort of doubt he will

Does the alien count as infected for the purposes of the majority?

We're at 9 now, if the alien is 3 infections, then the right 2 kills means that they win, and killing Jamie means that if they don't get the right 2 kills, they at least have a good chance of making more infections that go undetected.

If the alien does not count for the majority, then I still think taking out Jamie is the best option for the Jamie, as Jamie is our best chance of thwarting the alien.

So I don't think it's a simple as all that.

alien counts if alive

wcs scum kill uninfected, alien infects, I do not disinfect: 4-4 with 5 (?) suspects and the need to dk alien.

actually that's not wcs

wcs is Vecna is alien and wins tonight but I think we've kinda agreed to ignore this possibility