Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

[Jamiet99uk]

@Maniac: If I had gone along with your plan and moved to someone other than Celaph.... who did you expect me to pick?

[damo666]

Tomorrow if both Jamie and I survive the night I should reveal my result before Jamie jic yesterJamie and I coincide.

[worcej]

Everyone knew there was something odd about Celaph. Celaph had a plastic look most of the time. Also, they wandered around like they were stretched too thin.

And while everyone liked Celaph, the town was getting worried. He seemed so… alien. Could he BE the alien???

The only way they could know what they thought they needed to know about what they thought they needed to know, they thought, was to kill Celaph.

So they did. Almost everyone. Some maniacal dude and celaph himself did not take part in the suffocation.

CELAPH HAS DIED. HE WAS KELLY, Ph (d), a vanilla townie.

Well, great...

[worcej]

So, I think we need yesterjamie, Jamie, damo, and scum targeting four different people, and we need to do this while giving the alien as little information as possible.

Specific considerations:
1. Damo may be lying.
2. Scum has proven relatively unwilling to be helpful here if it doesn't interest them. Thus giving them a target that helps us narrow them down is probably out of the question, and really giving them a target period is going to be a hard sell.
3. rdr is not currently infected.
4. Given that scum has a vested interest in not killing Jamie to aid in the alien hunt, it seems like Jamie would have made for a decent infection target. What do we think of sending damo to him?

Should Jamie self scan instead?

[BobMcBob]

okay, so that kill wasn't amazing for us, but we know we've ticked down the clock and delayed alien from winning a bit longer

damo should not use his kit on himself
it may be worth scanning damo with the remaining kit if it exists or jamie scan at some point in order to see if damo is alien/infected
jamie should not reveal scan targets
it would be nice if mafia reveal their kill target, but i for some reason doubt theyll be that kind

from an actions standpoint i think theres no reason to want to go against any of that, because if we do we give alien too much extra info

[ghug]

So, I think we need yesterjamie, Jamie, damo, and scum targeting four different people, and we need to do this while giving the alien as little information as possible.

Specific considerations:
1. Damo may be lying.
2. Scum has proven relatively unwilling to be helpful here if it doesn't interest them. Thus giving them a target that helps us narrow them down is probably out of the question, and really giving them a target period is going to be a hard sell.
3. rdr is not currently infected.
4. Given that scum has a vested interest in not killing Jamie to aid in the alien hunt, it seems like Jamie would have made for a decent infection target. What do we think of sending damo to him?

Should Jamie self scan instead?

No, that's worse, because the only way we can act on it is killing him, which isn't worthwhile.

[BobMcBob]

So, I think we need yesterjamie, Jamie, damo, and scum targeting four different people, and we need to do this while giving the alien as little information as possible.

Specific considerations:
1. Damo may be lying.
2. Scum has proven relatively unwilling to be helpful here if it doesn't interest them. Thus giving them a target that helps us narrow them down is probably out of the question, and really giving them a target period is going to be a hard sell.
3. rdr is not currently infected.
4. Given that scum has a vested interest in not killing Jamie to aid in the alien hunt, it seems like Jamie would have made for a decent infection target. What do we think of sending damo to him?

Should Jamie self scan instead?

no, because it gives us no chance of finding alien
we want basically as many chances to find alien as possible
it may be worth going after jamie with kit because it will disinfect him if infected (which is somewhat likely) but not otherwise

[worcej]

So, I think we need yesterjamie, Jamie, damo, and scum targeting four different people, and we need to do this while giving the alien as little information as possible.

Specific considerations:
1. Damo may be lying.
2. Scum has proven relatively unwilling to be helpful here if it doesn't interest them. Thus giving them a target that helps us narrow them down is probably out of the question, and really giving them a target period is going to be a hard sell.
3. rdr is not currently infected.
4. Given that scum has a vested interest in not killing Jamie to aid in the alien hunt, it seems like Jamie would have made for a decent infection target. What do we think of sending damo to him?

Should Jamie self scan instead?

No, that's worse, because the only way we can act on it is killing him, which isn't worthwhile.

So, I think we need yesterjamie, Jamie, damo, and scum targeting four different people, and we need to do this while giving the alien as little information as possible.

Specific considerations:
1. Damo may be lying.
2. Scum has proven relatively unwilling to be helpful here if it doesn't interest them. Thus giving them a target that helps us narrow them down is probably out of the question, and really giving them a target period is going to be a hard sell.
3. rdr is not currently infected.
4. Given that scum has a vested interest in not killing Jamie to aid in the alien hunt, it seems like Jamie would have made for a decent infection target. What do we think of sending damo to him?

Should Jamie self scan instead?

no, because it gives us no chance of finding alien
we want basically as many chances to find alien as possible
it may be worth going after jamie with kit because it will disinfect him if infected (which is somewhat likely) but not otherwise

Fair points.

[Maniac]

@Maniac: If I had gone along with your plan and moved to someone other than Celaph.... who did you expect me to pick?

Anyone you weren’t awaiting a scan on out of Fox, Ghug, Vecna, Worcej. Possibly Damo too. If you’re asking me who I think is the alien I’d say Ghug or WorceJ. Could still be Vecna but if so we are screwed anyway so I hope not.

[Jamiet99uk]

Tomorrow if both Jamie and I survive the night I should reveal my result before Jamie jic yesterJamie and I coincide.

Yes. Good.

[Vecna]

Hey guys, im sick atm so I probably wont participate a great deal today.

We all get to pray that Jamiet has a result incoming thatll clear any of maniac/damo/ghug/worcej

I think jamiet should give damo 2 targets to pick from maniac/ghug/worcej (obviously those he has not scanned last night or this night). Damo should in no circumstance kit himself.

In case jamiet clears damo of being alien, his kit result will be usefull then and tell us something of his target as well.

Scum is gonna do what scum is gonna do. Looking at it from their pov theyll probably kill in the group of rdrivera/me/bob. Itll be a fucking dogshit choice on their part, but thats what we probably ought to be accounting for. Hopefully theyll be reasonable and at least make it be bob.

Havent decided whether its worth it for jamiet to out his exact target so scum can target the 4th person in the maniac/damo/ghug/worcej group, but thats just as likely to force them to kill one of their own so.....

[Vecna]

Guess fox can be included in the list of 5 if he somehow isnt scum, but theres a reason I didnt put him in it. Because he scum. right?

[Vecna]

And yes, I know this gives alien some information, but thats probably fine because logically speaking, scum is just going to NK the group of jamiet/rdrivera/bob/....me? in some likely order. So if alien wants to infect in that group, by all means

[Vecna]

just my take. Feel free to discuss/alter the plan accordingly jamiet since you obviously have more info.

But I do think you need to give some sort of guidance in the case damo is not the alien. to avoid the overlap we had on rdrivera.

[Vecna]

btw, I hope you confirmed with the gm's whether theres some way of knowing whether the alien has fucked with your targets

[damo666]

Get well soon Vecna.

I agree with what you've said.

Obviously scum should not kill me (or Jamie).

[Jamiet99uk]

Hey guys, im sick atm so I probably wont participate a great deal today.

We all get to pray that Jamiet has a result incoming thatll clear any of maniac/damo/ghug/worcej

I think jamiet should give damo 2 targets to pick from maniac/ghug/worcej (obviously those he has not scanned last night or this night). Damo should in no circumstance kit himself.

I hope you feel better soon.

I am ok with this idea. I would ask Damo to target his Kit on either Ghug or Vecna - because if Vecna is not alien there is a very strong chance he's been infected by now, yes?

[Jamiet99uk]

btw, I hope you confirmed with the gm's whether theres some way of knowing whether the alien has fucked with your targets

My reports have specifically been listing the name of the person the report is on (like words to the effect of "you scanned Rdrivera last night and you find that he is not infected") rather than a more generic "your target was not infected" so I am confident that if the Alien re-directed my action, I would know that I ended up getting a report on someone else.

[BobMcBob]

vecna you are so mean
i hope scum kill you instead

but yeah, i agree with pretty much everything that has been said
fox is very likely mafia
mafia have a very set group of people they probably want to kill from (vecna, rdr, jamie and maybe me)
alien most likely lies among the remainder (if not then we probably lose)

knowing this im unsure where alien is most likely to infect, because in either group they risk hitting a disinfect/kill, so i think alien is most likely just gonna be guessing anyway, as long as we dont give them exact people to avoid

im not sure how good our position is exactly, we are likely at 9-3 right now
if we get decent luck on our scans or alien picks a bad target we set back the alien further, but only to 7-3 (or 7-2 if were lucky on both)
with those numbers though, it doesnt look good for us if we dont find the alien within the next 2 days
we can still make it through 2 days without finding them but itll require quite a bit of luck or good guessing

[damo666]

vecna you are so mean
i hope scum kill you instead

but yeah, i agree with pretty much everything that has been said
fox is very likely mafia
mafia have a very set group of people they probably want to kill from (vecna, rdr, jamie and maybe me)
alien most likely lies among the remainder (if not then we probably lose)

knowing this im unsure where alien is most likely to infect, because in either group they risk hitting a disinfect/kill, so i think alien is most likely just gonna be guessing anyway, as long as we dont give them exact people to avoid

im not sure how good our position is exactly, we are likely at 9-3 right now
if we get decent luck on our scans or alien picks a bad target we set back the alien further, but only to 7-3 (or 7-2 if were lucky on both)
with those numbers though, it doesnt look good for us if we dont find the alien within the next 2 days
we can still make it through 2 days without finding them but itll require quite a bit of luck or good guessing

Currently almost certainly 6-3

could go 5-4, 6-3, 7-2, 5-3, 4-4, 6-2, 4-3, 5-2, 6-1