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Re: Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

#5221 Post by worcej » Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:17 pm

damo666 wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:59 pm
I get scumread if I say too little and alienread for discussing lol.

If you read my discussion of Maniac's suggestion I actually conclude that killing celaph is the best option.

Should have ended 20 hours ago. We are no further forward.
You always say too little, regardless of alignment.

In my case, you're scumread for trying to drive the conversation away from flipping celaph. Maniac is just as guilty as you too on this,

Scum want the focus to be on the alien - you're doing a good job here.
Scum want the infected count to be right near milo/lilo, forcing kills here - pushing non-celaph fits this.
Scum want to push bad math/narrative to support the above - you're also doing that.

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#5222 Post by celaph » Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:12 pm

Maniac wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:42 pm
Still need you soul reads before EOD Celaph.
TOWNIER END

Jamie -- If he's somehow scum then we just concede that the luck was not in our favor and try to win M66. Treat him like conf town.

rdr -- I've been saying this since the beginning, but I'm not getting any scum vibes from this man. Couple this with being almost conf non-alien (conf assuming Vecna is telling the truth which I think is the case) makes him a very bad kill in the coming days.

ghug -- If this is ghug's scum game then it's a really clean scum game. I think he has picked up on the right details and argued over the right points in a way that feels very natural and genuine. For examples, see how he worked around Jamie's PR status, how he has challenged Vecna, and how he has handled my infected status.

Bob -- I could see this slot being scum (more likely alien imo), but if so then kudos to him for the confidence that he has played with. I willingness to behave like that D1 and absorb the pressure unnecessarily. The lack of hesitation in shooting Bunny. I also townread the hell out of his activity pattern. He feels the right mixture of please how we've preformed against scum and lost in dealing with the alien.

Vecna -- Vecna has played like a town person probably playing a townier game that both Bob and ghug. But at times something feels just not quite right with how he's acting. I think both ghug and rdr have done a better job than I at highlighting why that is at various times. Treat him as a town, but carefully. Be extra careful if Fox flips scum.

Worcej -- Total gut read here. I'll hedge here so I don't look like a fool if I'm wrong, but I like Worcej here.

Fox -- He strikes me as sharp, yet struggles to convert that sharpness into towny-ness. His early analysis of the early wagon was poor. The way he handled the GM "slip" with his item felt awkward. The person he reminds me most of is Donny from M63 who ended up town so I might be wrong here.

Maniac -- I hate that I'm doing this, but to some extent I'm scumreading Maniac's towniness. I really hope that I'm wrong because that would show change to his town game that I really like, but he's caught my attention in positive ways that remind me of our time as alien together. For example, I think his current read of the situation is decent, but I just worry that it is coming from a place of knowledge.

Damo -- He is doing a mixture of things that feel towny and feel really scummy. He doesn't really feel mafia-y so I'm guessing that this is our alien, but I don't have huge confidence in my ability to read him.

SCUMMIER END

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#5223 Post by celaph » Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:12 pm

Vecna wrote:
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guess the remainder of this day will be people catching up and pointing out that mistake
GUYS!!! Vecna made a mistake. Conf scum here!!! Come get him. $$vote vecna :-D

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#5224 Post by celaph » Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:13 pm

Feel free to ask any questions you have over the next couple hours. Otherwise I'll be lazy and wait my seemingly inevitable journey to the God QT.

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#5225 Post by ghug » Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:35 pm

celaph wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:12 pm
Vecna wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:00 pm
guess the remainder of this day will be people catching up and pointing out that mistake
GUYS!!! Vecna made a mistake. Conf scum here!!! Come get him. $$vote vecna :-D
They say people often become wiser on their deathbeds.

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#5226 Post by ghug » Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:03 pm

Sure glad we have all this extra time.

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#5227 Post by celaph » Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:10 pm

Such an exciting last hour. Glad so many of y'all showed up for my death.

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#5228 Post by ghug » Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:15 pm

celaph wrote:
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Such an exciting last hour. Glad so many of y'all showed up for my death.
This is why I hate third parties.

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#5229 Post by Jamiet99uk » Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:16 pm

ghug wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:15 pm
celaph wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:10 pm
Such an exciting last hour. Glad so many of y'all showed up for my death.
This is why I hate third parties.
Well the third party is pretty integral to this setup.

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#5230 Post by rdrivera2005 » Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:23 pm

ghug wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:15 pm
celaph wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:10 pm
Such an exciting last hour. Glad so many of y'all showed up for my death.
This is why I hate third parties.
I don't hate third parties, but this particular third party is way too powerful.

@Celaph- If you are scum or Alien you did a really impressive work to look like towny. If you are town you played a very solid game. As any alignment you had a bad luck being scanned and town be out of options.

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#5231 Post by ghug » Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:25 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:16 pm
ghug wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:15 pm
celaph wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:10 pm
Such an exciting last hour. Glad so many of y'all showed up for my death.
This is why I hate third parties.
Well the third party is pretty integral to this setup.
Whose fault is that?

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#5232 Post by Jamiet99uk » Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:43 pm

ghug wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:25 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:16 pm
ghug wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:15 pm

This is why I hate third parties.
Well the third party is pretty integral to this setup.
Whose fault is that?
I don't think it's anyone's "fault". This is how ND has designed his game. The setup has an intentionally strong third party which both the Town and the Mafia need to worry about, and may even have to temporarily collaborate to stop. It's like that intentionally because that's how ND has written the setup.

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#5233 Post by rdrivera2005 » Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:47 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:43 pm
ghug wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:25 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:16 pm


Well the third party is pretty integral to this setup.
Whose fault is that?
I don't think it's anyone's "fault". This is how ND has designed his game. The setup has an intentionally strong third party which both the Town and the Mafia need to worry about, and may even have to temporarily collaborate to stop. It's like that intentionally because that's how ND has written the setup.
I know I have been talking about it too, but I think we should let to discuss the setup after the game ends.

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#5234 Post by dargorygel » Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:50 pm

ten more minutes

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#5235 Post by Maniac » Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:51 pm

celaph wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:12 pm
Maniac wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:42 pm
Still need you soul reads before EOD Celaph.
TOWNIER END

Jamie -- If he's somehow scum then we just concede that the luck was not in our favor and try to win M66. Treat him like conf town.

rdr -- I've been saying this since the beginning, but I'm not getting any scum vibes from this man. Couple this with being almost conf non-alien (conf assuming Vecna is telling the truth which I think is the case) makes him a very bad kill in the coming days.

ghug -- If this is ghug's scum game then it's a really clean scum game. I think he has picked up on the right details and argued over the right points in a way that feels very natural and genuine. For examples, see how he worked around Jamie's PR status, how he has challenged Vecna, and how he has handled my infected status.

Bob -- I could see this slot being scum (more likely alien imo), but if so then kudos to him for the confidence that he has played with. I willingness to behave like that D1 and absorb the pressure unnecessarily. The lack of hesitation in shooting Bunny. I also townread the hell out of his activity pattern. He feels the right mixture of please how we've preformed against scum and lost in dealing with the alien.

Vecna -- Vecna has played like a town person probably playing a townier game that both Bob and ghug. But at times something feels just not quite right with how he's acting. I think both ghug and rdr have done a better job than I at highlighting why that is at various times. Treat him as a town, but carefully. Be extra careful if Fox flips scum.

Worcej -- Total gut read here. I'll hedge here so I don't look like a fool if I'm wrong, but I like Worcej here.

Fox -- He strikes me as sharp, yet struggles to convert that sharpness into towny-ness. His early analysis of the early wagon was poor. The way he handled the GM "slip" with his item felt awkward. The person he reminds me most of is Donny from M63 who ended up town so I might be wrong here.

Maniac -- I hate that I'm doing this, but to some extent I'm scumreading Maniac's towniness. I really hope that I'm wrong because that would show change to his town game that I really like, but he's caught my attention in positive ways that remind me of our time as alien together. For example, I think his current read of the situation is decent, but I just worry that it is coming from a place of knowledge.

Damo -- He is doing a mixture of things that feel towny and feel really scummy. He doesn't really feel mafia-y so I'm guessing that this is our alien, but I don't have huge confidence in my ability to read him.

SCUMMIER END
Obviously I know Celaph is mistaken, but is there anyone who still thinks Celaph is scum here?

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#5236 Post by Vecna » Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:51 pm

man.....celaph even did the whole readslist even though it has no chance of saving him.

I really am back to being very pessimistic about chances of a town win

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#5237 Post by celaph » Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:56 pm

Vecna wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:51 pm
man.....celaph even did the whole readslist even though it has no chance of saving him.

I really am back to being very pessimistic about chances of a town win
Hey, that's how I feel. :-D

Damo still a viable wagon. You have 3 minutes to join.

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#5238 Post by celaph » Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:59 pm

Good luck my infected minions! Carry my legacy forward.

And hey maf can you kill Jamie pls and thanks in advance.

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#5239 Post by dargorygel » Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:00 pm

DAY HAS ENDED
PLEASE STOP THIS FURIOUS RATE OF POSTING
VOTE COUNT COMING SOON


thanks

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#5240 Post by dargorygel » Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:00 pm

FINAL VOTE COUNT
Celaph (8) damo666, Jamiet99uk, BobMcBob, Foxcastle, ghug, worcej, rdrivera2005, Vecna
Damo666 (1) celaph
Maniac (1) Maniac

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