Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

[ghug]

What are you talking about? There is no other option other then killing Celaph unless one scum out and told us who the Alien is.

Alien have then the option to try to win next day or kill Jamiet and we will need to act accordingly. Scum won't target Alien, that's pretty obvious.

I'm not saying we should do it, I'm just thinking aloud through the implications.

We can assume mafia will target in a way that benefits everyone against alien if and only if other targets could lead to an immediate alien win. They clearly aren't playing ball with us, but I can't imagine they'll willingly lose either.

Just check out Maniac and foxcastle's reaction to Jamiet.

Knowing now he did not scan Damo, the way they both coordinatedly jumped onto Damo (I made the woodworks comment) just makes me feel the Secretary told the other guy in scumchat that Jamiet was bullshitting and to play along.

This just makes me think they know they dont stand much of a chance unless the alien is the bigger danger.

This is plausible. We could also easily say that you focused on celaph early because you knew that's where the real scan was and then hopped on damo only once he made himself seem like the alien on his own merits, though I'll grant you that I don't see much point to advocating for the damo kill now if you're mafia.

Worcej also didn't talk for a day, which isn't great.

[ghug]

And what do you suggest?

Like, killing Celaph gives us nothing unless he's the alien right?

Were killing to not lose instantly. Were not killing to win.

We kill an infected, but the alien instantly infects a new target. Scum kills someone (that helps THEM, not us).

So we better be sure we hit the alien today. Hitting just an infected person is a losing play.

Hopefully Jamie gets a useful result. I could gamble with the kit too.

If you don't attempt to use the kit tonight, it pretty much confirms you as alien.

[ghug]

Like, killing Celaph gives us nothing unless he's the alien right?

Were killing to not lose instantly. Were not killing to win.

We kill an infected, but the alien instantly infects a new target. Scum kills someone (that helps THEM, not us).

So we better be sure we hit the alien today. Hitting just an infected person is a losing play.

Hopefully Jamie gets a useful result. I could gamble with the kit too.

If you don't attempt to use the kit tonight, it pretty much confirms you as alien.

Assuming you're alive and celaph hasn't flipped alien, obviously. You should save it if the alien's dead so that we can use it on future Jamie scans.

[ghug]

We should consider hammering in the next two hours. I don't think we have a day's worth of stuff left to discuss here.

[Vecna]

Hopefully Jamie gets a useful result. I could gamble with the kit too.

If you don't attempt to use the kit tonight, it pretty much confirms you as alien.

Assuming you're alive and celaph hasn't flipped alien, obviously. You should save it if the alien's dead so that we can use it on future Jamie scans.

As soon as the alien flips, so does jamiet lol

(im just guessing we dont have a shaman anymore at this point, nor a RV camper dude)

[Vecna]

We should consider hammering in the next two hours. I don't think we have a day's worth of stuff left to discuss here.

This is the hammer that will decide the outcome of the game. Why such a hurry?

[ghug]

We should consider hammering in the next two hours. I don't think we have a day's worth of stuff left to discuss here.

This is the hammer that will decide the outcome of the game. Why such a hurry?

I feel like you're either going to convince us in two hours or you're not, and I don't really want to wait until Tuesday to actually start playing again.

[ghug]

If you don't attempt to use the kit tonight, it pretty much confirms you as alien.

Assuming you're alive and celaph hasn't flipped alien, obviously. You should save it if the alien's dead so that we can use it on future Jamie scans.

As soon as the alien flips, so does jamiet lol

(im just guessing we dont have a shaman anymore at this point, nor a RV camper dude)

You think kgray and jasnah were both PRs? That'd suck...

I'm hoping scum won't kill Jamie even with the alien dead because there's still a real enough chance of a posthumous win (and they might get a free miskill of infected town at some point).

[Vecna]

Im not really certain enough of myself to try any real convincing here sadly.

Like, damo has done tons of scummy shit here today, but Celaph also still hasnt played to his full town Meta I feel.

And ofcourse, its still fully possible that we have a different alien alltogether.

[rdrivera2005]

Like, I dont agree with this course of action, but theres no point in not having a unanimous vote

And what do you suggest?

Like, killing Celaph gives us nothing unless he's the alien right?

Were killing to not lose instantly. Were not killing to win.

We kill an infected, but the alien instantly infects a new target. Scum kills someone (that helps THEM, not us).

So we better be sure we hit the alien today. Hitting just an infected person is a losing play.

Losing play is to try a Alien shot that can cost us the game. Like I said, if you have a better plan please share with us mere mortals.

[celaph]

I would urge you all to analyze the celaph not alien lines as *spoiler alert* those fit the game much better than the celaph alien lines.

I honestly don't think you're the alien right now, but I don't think you want us to not kill you, so this is where we are.

What do you think we should be analyzing exactly?

Do you think as town that I would want to get killed here? To Vecna's point I don't think we insta-lose by doing so, but I don't think it helps us besides removing an option of a wagon for people to just join without standing out.

I'm really curious why Jamie found Damo's reaction organic as I had the opposite reaction. Maniac has probably earned himself another look given his activity level, but I don't recall anything there that screamed alien to me. Just a general surprise at how easy I found his thought process to follow.

I don't think the alien is among Jamie, rdr, Bob or you. Vecna's been acting towny though something in my gut feels off, I just don't see a case there to warrant that being the push. That leaves Fox and worcej in a middle category that I feel kinda meh about with regard of being alien. They haven't really done anything that makes me thing they are more likely to be alien, but they haven't earned a townread by any means.

[celaph]

If you don't attempt to use the kit tonight, it pretty much confirms you as alien.

Assuming you're alive and celaph hasn't flipped alien, obviously. You should save it if the alien's dead so that we can use it on future Jamie scans.

As soon as the alien flips, so does jamiet lol

(im just guessing we dont have a shaman anymore at this point, nor a RV camper dude)

I could believe that the RV exists and just hasn't been camping.

[celaph]

Im not really certain enough of myself to try any real convincing here sadly.

Like, damo has done tons of scummy shit here today, but Celaph also still hasnt played to his full town Meta I feel.

And ofcourse, its still fully possible that we have a different alien alltogether.

ahhh yes, I should have done more linky links!

[rdrivera2005]

I would urge you all to analyze the celaph not alien lines as *spoiler alert* those fit the game much better than the celaph alien lines.

I honestly don't think you're the alien right now, but I don't think you want us to not kill you, so this is where we are.

What do you think we should be analyzing exactly?

Do you think as town that I would want to get killed here? To Vecna's point I don't think we insta-lose by doing so, but I don't think it helps us besides removing an option of a wagon for people to just join without standing out.

I'm really curious why Jamie found Damo's reaction organic as I had the opposite reaction. Maniac has probably earned himself another look given his activity level, but I don't recall anything there that screamed alien to me. Just a general surprise at how easy I found his thought process to follow.

I don't think the alien is among Jamie, rdr, Bob or you. Vecna's been acting towny though something in my gut feels off, I just don't see a case there to warrant that being the push. That leaves Fox and worcej in a middle category that I feel kinda meh about with regard of being alien. They haven't really done anything that makes me thing they are more likely to be alien, but they haven't earned a townread by any means.

I can't be Alien, unless you believe Jamiet is lying. I think you have a 50% chance to be the Alien which is a decent shot.
If you are town and want to be useful, look at D1 and try to figure who would infect you. That's what we will have to do tomorrow if you flip town and Jamiet can't get an Alien scum.

[Jamiet99uk]

The mafia and potentially the alien (if it's not damo and hasn't infected him) were the only ones who knew Jamie was lying, which is also worth considering.

Excuse me, how would the Mafia know I was lying about whether I scanned Damo for Alien DNA??

Secretary: The Secretary allows the mafia to talk during the day phase, so long as the secretary is alive. Additionally, when the Alien Researcher receives a report on if the player they targeted has ALIEN DNA or NOT ALIEN DNA the secretary will also learn this information. The Secretary wins with the Mafia and scans as AREA-51.

Aha, thanks.

They don't learn who I targeted, so they didn't necessarily know I lied about having a Damo result, but it didn't occur to me they would know I was lying because I also claimed a positive on Damo whereas I really had a negative on Rdrivera.

Thanks for clarifying that.

[Jamiet99uk]

Excuse me, how would the Mafia know I was lying about whether I scanned Damo for Alien DNA??

Secretary: The Secretary allows the mafia to talk during the day phase, so long as the secretary is alive. Additionally, when the Alien Researcher receives a report on if the player they targeted has ALIEN DNA or NOT ALIEN DNA the secretary will also learn this information. The Secretary wins with the Mafia and scans as AREA-51.

Aha. Thank you.

Does this mean scum killed an infected Macca. Fingers crossed.

This is a weird question.

I have not scanned Macca, so they would not receive any reports about that.

Why did you assume I scanned Macca?

[Jamiet99uk]

Like, I dont agree with this course of action, but theres no point in not having a unanimous vote

Celaph is the only person we know, for sure, has Alien DNA. Why do you disagree?

[Jamiet99uk]

Sorry, being stupid. Forgot Macca wasn't one of Jamie's targets.

Ah ok, nvm.

[Jamiet99uk]

We should consider hammering in the next two hours. I don't think we have a day's worth of stuff left to discuss here.

This is the hammer that will decide the outcome of the game. Why such a hurry?

Agree. Don't want to hammer.

[ghug]

We should consider hammering in the next two hours. I don't think we have a day's worth of stuff left to discuss here.

This is the hammer that will decide the outcome of the game. Why such a hurry?

Agree. Don't want to hammer.

You're going to regret this in like four hours, but ok.