Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

[rdrivera2005]

The mafia and potentially the alien (if it's not damo and hasn't infected him) were the only ones who knew Jamie was lying, which is also worth considering.

Excuse me, how would the Mafia know I was lying about whether I scanned Damo for Alien DNA??

Secretary: The Secretary allows the mafia to talk during the day phase, so long as the secretary is alive. Additionally, when the Alien Researcher receives a report on if the player they targeted has ALIEN DNA or NOT ALIEN DNA the secretary will also learn this information. The Secretary wins with the Mafia and scans as AREA-51.

[Vecna]

##vote Celaph

I guess

[celaph]

@vecna, why have you switched your stance around on me?

Earlier in the day you voted me over Damo when we both had confirmed alien DNA. You then switched to Damo without explaining the change of heart. And now that Damo no longer has alien DNA you're still seeing him as a better target than me.

[rdrivera2005]

Also, if we are lucky and Celaph is Alien we can get back to going after scum. I still think Fox is the most likely and Worcej or Ghug the second one.

Maniac could be the Secretary but he isn't Item Thief as he was in Sat QT since D1 with me and Jasnah (Alien already has this info so I decided to disclose it). Anyway, not my first choice to flip as he has 50% less chance to be scum.

[Vecna]

Like, I dont agree with this course of action, but theres no point in not having a unanimous vote

[damo666]

The mafia and potentially the alien (if it's not damo and hasn't infected him) were the only ones who knew Jamie was lying, which is also worth considering.

Excuse me, how would the Mafia know I was lying about whether I scanned Damo for Alien DNA??

Secretary: The Secretary allows the mafia to talk during the day phase, so long as the secretary is alive. Additionally, when the Alien Researcher receives a report on if the player they targeted has ALIEN DNA or NOT ALIEN DNA the secretary will also learn this information. The Secretary wins with the Mafia and scans as AREA-51.

Aha. Thank you.

Does this mean scum killed an infected Macca. Fingers crossed.

[celaph]

The mafia and potentially the alien (if it's not damo and hasn't infected him) were the only ones who knew Jamie was lying, which is also worth considering.

Excuse me, how would the Mafia know I was lying about whether I scanned Damo for Alien DNA??

Secretary: The Secretary allows the mafia to talk during the day phase, so long as the secretary is alive. Additionally, when the Alien Researcher receives a report on if the player they targeted has ALIEN DNA or NOT ALIEN DNA the secretary will also learn this information. The Secretary wins with the Mafia and scans as AREA-51.

Oh, fancy. Yes, I clearly knew this as well...

[rdrivera2005]

Like, I dont agree with this course of action, but theres no point in not having a unanimous vote

And what do you suggest?

[celaph]

Excuse me, how would the Mafia know I was lying about whether I scanned Damo for Alien DNA??

Secretary: The Secretary allows the mafia to talk during the day phase, so long as the secretary is alive. Additionally, when the Alien Researcher receives a report on if the player they targeted has ALIEN DNA or NOT ALIEN DNA the secretary will also learn this information. The Secretary wins with the Mafia and scans as AREA-51.

Aha. Thank you.

Does this mean scum killed an infected Macca. Fingers crossed.

I'm confused how this is the conclusion you drew from this.

[Vecna]

@vecna, why have you switched your stance around on me?

Earlier in the day you voted me over Damo when we both had confirmed alien DNA. You then switched to Damo without explaining the change of heart. And now that Damo no longer has alien DNA you're still seeing him as a better target than me.

I voted him over the way he reacted, the way he tried to push onto Rdrivera, and his reasoning on not using the kit.

I thought that was pretty obvious

[rdrivera2005]

Excuse me, how would the Mafia know I was lying about whether I scanned Damo for Alien DNA??

Secretary: The Secretary allows the mafia to talk during the day phase, so long as the secretary is alive. Additionally, when the Alien Researcher receives a report on if the player they targeted has ALIEN DNA or NOT ALIEN DNA the secretary will also learn this information. The Secretary wins with the Mafia and scans as AREA-51.

Aha. Thank you.

Does this mean scum killed an infected Macca. Fingers crossed.

Why scum will have the info that Macca was infected? Care to explain?

[celaph]

I would urge you all to analyze the celaph not alien lines as *spoiler alert* those fit the game much better than the celaph alien lines.

[damo666]

@vecna, why have you switched your stance around on me?

Earlier in the day you voted me over Damo when we both had confirmed alien DNA. You then switched to Damo without explaining the change of heart. And now that Damo no longer has alien DNA you're still seeing him as a better target than me.

More accurately 'of unknown alien dna status' [apart from to the alien itself] of course.

[ghug]

I dont know if I agree with this change of voting.

All the reasons to vote damo still sort of exist. His reaction has been off. He saved the kit wtih a reason.

At least Rdrivera is cleared of being the alien, and I feel with how he has been pushing people, I can treat him more or less as a townclear.

If damo is non-alien and uninfected and we kill him, mafia pretty much have to target celaph tonight. Celaph as alien wins the game. Someone else as alien means we start tomorrow with 4/8 infected and are back at the situation we thought we were in today. If damo is infected town or mafia, we have no way of knowing and have to assume the above.

If damo is alien and we kill celaph, mafia targeting damo gets us to 4/9 infected, we kill alien, things are good. Mafia targeting someone else gets us to 3 or 4/8 infected, again no way of knowing, and we're in much the same place as the other scenario.

There's a same medium worst case outcome, and maybe a slightly better chance of the alien immediately dead outcome, but we also risk losing outright overnight if we kill damo.

What are you talking about? There is no other option other then killing Celaph unless one scum out and told us who the Alien is.

Alien have then the option to try to win next day or kill Jamiet and we will need to act accordingly. Scum won't target Alien, that's pretty obvious.

I'm not saying we should do it, I'm just thinking aloud through the implications.

We can assume mafia will target in a way that benefits everyone against alien if and only if other targets could lead to an immediate alien win. They clearly aren't playing ball with us, but I can't imagine they'll willingly lose either.

[Vecna]

Like, I dont agree with this course of action, but theres no point in not having a unanimous vote

And what do you suggest?

Like, killing Celaph gives us nothing unless he's the alien right?

Were killing to not lose instantly. Were not killing to win.

We kill an infected, but the alien instantly infects a new target. Scum kills someone (that helps THEM, not us).

So we better be sure we hit the alien today. Hitting just an infected person is a losing play.

[damo666]

Sorry, being stupid. Forgot Macca wasn't one of Jamie's targets.

[Vecna]

If damo is non-alien and uninfected and we kill him, mafia pretty much have to target celaph tonight. Celaph as alien wins the game. Someone else as alien means we start tomorrow with 4/8 infected and are back at the situation we thought we were in today. If damo is infected town or mafia, we have no way of knowing and have to assume the above.

If damo is alien and we kill celaph, mafia targeting damo gets us to 4/9 infected, we kill alien, things are good. Mafia targeting someone else gets us to 3 or 4/8 infected, again no way of knowing, and we're in much the same place as the other scenario.

There's a same medium worst case outcome, and maybe a slightly better chance of the alien immediately dead outcome, but we also risk losing outright overnight if we kill damo.

What are you talking about? There is no other option other then killing Celaph unless one scum out and told us who the Alien is.

Alien have then the option to try to win next day or kill Jamiet and we will need to act accordingly. Scum won't target Alien, that's pretty obvious.

I'm not saying we should do it, I'm just thinking aloud through the implications.

We can assume mafia will target in a way that benefits everyone against alien if and only if other targets could lead to an immediate alien win. They clearly aren't playing ball with us, but I can't imagine they'll willingly lose either.

Just check out Maniac and foxcastle's reaction to Jamiet.

Knowing now he did not scan Damo, the way they both coordinatedly jumped onto Damo (I made the woodworks comment) just makes me feel the Secretary told the other guy in scumchat that Jamiet was bullshitting and to play along.

This just makes me think they know they dont stand much of a chance unless the alien is the bigger danger.

[ghug]

I would urge you all to analyze the celaph not alien lines as *spoiler alert* those fit the game much better than the celaph alien lines.

I honestly don't think you're the alien right now, but I don't think you want us to not kill you, so this is where we are.

What do you think we should be analyzing exactly?

[ghug]

Sorry, being stupid. Forgot Macca wasn't one of Jamie's targets.

Is this you slipping that you infected Macca?

[damo666]

Like, I dont agree with this course of action, but theres no point in not having a unanimous vote

And what do you suggest?

Like, killing Celaph gives us nothing unless he's the alien right?

Were killing to not lose instantly. Were not killing to win.

We kill an infected, but the alien instantly infects a new target. Scum kills someone (that helps THEM, not us).

So we better be sure we hit the alien today. Hitting just an infected person is a losing play.

Hopefully Jamie gets a useful result. I could gamble with the kit too.