Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

[damo666]

If celaph does not flip alien then alien is probably

worcej or ghug (or a sneaky Vecna)

scum may be able to eliminate one or 2 of these so perhaps we humans are not in such bad shape

Why not Bob, Maniac, or Fox?

I was basically assuming the alien if noy celaph was not voting celaph. Obviously not necessarily true.

Hopefully if it is necessary Jamie's N$ reveal tomorrow will help.

[damo666]

* N4

[ghug]

If celaph does not flip alien then alien is probably

worcej or ghug (or a sneaky Vecna)

scum may be able to eliminate one or 2 of these so perhaps we humans are not in such bad shape

Why not Bob, Maniac, or Fox?

I was basically assuming the alien if noy celaph was not voting celaph. Obviously not necessarily true.

Hopefully if it is necessary Jamie's N$ reveal tomorrow will help.

So your single alien criterion was... "has not yet seen Jamie's announcement"?

[worcej]

Caught up via bot at this point. Reading high posts and looking at votes. I will get more detailed in my review once it is tomorrow morning and I have more time.

Weird reaction test from Jamie, not sure I gained much from it other than Damo isn’t the alien. I still find damo’s play to be off, so he is more in my scum pile now based on these past couple phases.

So we’re going to go after who I was pushing for yesterday finally. Good. ##vote celaph

[ghug]

Caught up via bot at this point. Reading high posts and looking at votes. I will get more detailed in my review once it is tomorrow morning and I have more time.

Weird reaction test from Jamie, not sure I gained much from it other than Damo isn’t the alien. I still find damo’s play to be off, so he is more in my scum pile now based on these past couple phases.

So we’re going to go after who I was pushing for yesterday finally. Good. ##vote celaph

Gaining that damo isn't the alien would be a pretty great outcome of a reaction test. Why are you reaching that conclusion?

The mafia and potentially the alien (if it's not damo and hasn't infected him) were the only ones who knew Jamie was lying, which is also worth considering.

[damo666]

Caught up via bot at this point. Reading high posts and looking at votes. I will get more detailed in my review once it is tomorrow morning and I have more time.

Weird reaction test from Jamie, not sure I gained much from it other than Damo isn’t the alien. I still find damo’s play to be off, so he is more in my scum pile now based on these past couple phases.

So we’re going to go after who I was pushing for yesterday finally. Good. ##vote celaph

Gaining that damo isn't the alien would be a pretty great outcome of a reaction test. Why are you reaching that conclusion?

The mafia and potentially the alien (if it's not damo and hasn't infected him) were the only ones who knew Jamie was lying, which is also worth considering.

I don't follow. Explain please.

[Vecna]

As Celaph is only person now we have a positive alien scan on them ##vote Celaph is a no brained.

Be interesting to see what Damo result is. I don’t understand why Jamie says Damo reaction was organic. If Damo is alien his response is the same as far as I can see. If Damo is Alien he now knows he has a scan result being exposed tomorrow? Does that mean if Jamie dies tonight we have to kill Damo, or what if Jamie dies by alien hands that set Damo up for DK, have we just gifted the alien the game?

Clearly we disagree; I'm just being honest that Damo's reaction felt genuine to me. That's my opinion.

If someone has a save, I'm sure I'd appreciate it tonight.

Presumably the Mafia won't be foolish enough to kill me, but I assume the Alien will want to.

Btw, the mafia knew you were lying.

[Vecna]

Guess ghug also commented it. And Damo pretends to not know why?

Since when are you so unaware of setups damo?

[Vecna]

I dont know if I agree with this change of voting.

All the reasons to vote damo still sort of exist. His reaction has been off. He saved the kit wtih a reason.

At least Rdrivera is cleared of being the alien, and I feel with how he has been pushing people, I can treat him more or less as a townclear.

[ghug]

I dont know if I agree with this change of voting.

All the reasons to vote damo still sort of exist. His reaction has been off. He saved the kit wtih a reason.

At least Rdrivera is cleared of being the alien, and I feel with how he has been pushing people, I can treat him more or less as a townclear.

If damo is non-alien and uninfected and we kill him, mafia pretty much have to target celaph tonight. Celaph as alien wins the game. Someone else as alien means we start tomorrow with 4/8 infected and are back at the situation we thought we were in today. If damo is infected town or mafia, we have no way of knowing and have to assume the above.

If damo is alien and we kill celaph, mafia targeting damo gets us to 4/9 infected, we kill alien, things are good. Mafia targeting someone else gets us to 3 or 4/8 infected, again no way of knowing, and we're in much the same place as the other scenario.

There's a same medium worst case outcome, and maybe a slightly better chance of the alien immediately dead outcome, but we also risk losing outright overnight if we kill damo.

[rdrivera2005]

Guess ghug also commented it. And Damo pretends to not know why?

Since when are you so unaware of setups damo?

It took me a re-read of the roles to understand this, so I can see Damo not getting it.

Also, ##vote Celaph

[damo666]

OK I give up. What am I missing?

[rdrivera2005]

I dont know if I agree with this change of voting.

All the reasons to vote damo still sort of exist. His reaction has been off. He saved the kit wtih a reason.

At least Rdrivera is cleared of being the alien, and I feel with how he has been pushing people, I can treat him more or less as a townclear.

If damo is non-alien and uninfected and we kill him, mafia pretty much have to target celaph tonight. Celaph as alien wins the game. Someone else as alien means we start tomorrow with 4/8 infected and are back at the situation we thought we were in today. If damo is infected town or mafia, we have no way of knowing and have to assume the above.

If damo is alien and we kill celaph, mafia targeting damo gets us to 4/9 infected, we kill alien, things are good. Mafia targeting someone else gets us to 3 or 4/8 infected, again no way of knowing, and we're in much the same place as the other scenario.

There's a same medium worst case outcome, and maybe a slightly better chance of the alien immediately dead outcome, but we also risk losing outright overnight if we kill damo.

What are you talking about? There is no other option other then killing Celaph unless one scum out and told us who the Alien is.

Alien have then the option to try to win next day or kill Jamiet and we will need to act accordingly. Scum won't target Alien, that's pretty obvious.

[Jamiet99uk]

The mafia and potentially the alien (if it's not damo and hasn't infected him) were the only ones who knew Jamie was lying, which is also worth considering.

Excuse me, how would the Mafia know I was lying about whether I scanned Damo for Alien DNA??

[Jamiet99uk]

OK I give up. What am I missing?

I also wish to subscribe to updates on this topic.

[Jamiet99uk]

Btw, the mafia knew you were lying.

How?

[celaph]

Guess ghug also commented it. And Damo pretends to not know why?

Since when are you so unaware of setups damo?

It took me a re-read of the roles to understand this, so I can see Damo not getting it.

Also, ##vote Celaph

It's obvious why the alien might have known that Jamie was lying, but I don't see how the mafia would have known. Can someone please explain?

[celaph]

oh, lmao. The three of us are all confused.

[celaph]

##VOTE CELAPH

I do not see how Damo's reaction looks organic at all.

I second this.

I feel like it's rather inevitable that I'm dying today so I'm glad we're not going to instantly lose assuming Vecna's telling the truth and I'm inclined to believe him on this. But I am really curious on how Jamie is drawing the Damo not alien result from his reaction here.

[celaph]

As Celaph is only person now we have a positive alien scan on them ##vote Celaph is a no brained.

Be interesting to see what Damo result is. I don’t understand why Jamie says Damo reaction was organic. If Damo is alien his response is the same as far as I can see. If Damo is Alien he now knows he has a scan result being exposed tomorrow? Does that mean if Jamie dies tonight we have to kill Damo, or what if Jamie dies by alien hands that set Damo up for DK, have we just gifted the alien the game?

Clearly we disagree; I'm just being honest that Damo's reaction felt genuine to me. That's my opinion.

If someone has a save, I'm sure I'd appreciate it tonight.

Presumably the Mafia won't be foolish enough to kill me, but I assume the Alien will want to.

And if Celaph is the Alien (fingers crossed!) then hopefully the Mafia will be so grateful they'll allow me to stay alive.

Hate to break it to you, but I'm not the alien.