Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

[Jamiet99uk]

Or we can dk celaph today and i kit rdr.

Doesn't matter which way.

How can it go wrong if scum play along?

They haven't been very co-operative so far. Why assume they'll help us now?

[ghug]

What is this supposed to imply?

Scum use having scumread the third party to make themselves seem like town.

It's shitty of you to throw shade without substantiating your garbage thoughts.

When did you get so mean?

[Vecna]

Or we can dk celaph today and i kit rdr.

Doesn't matter which way.

How can it go wrong if scum play along?

yeah, kit the person thats already cured or is the alien.

you think im town, so you dont get to apply the ghug brain to this situation

[damo666]

We have to kill from celaph/me/rdr right?

I have claimed kit so assuming I'm not lying it would be daft to dk me. It would also be daft for scum to NK me because then I couldn't use it.

I challenge rdr and celaph to declare their item.

[Vecna]

##vote celaph

[Jamiet99uk]

Assuming Rdrivera was infected rather than actually being the Alien, when would that have occurred?

[ghug]

Or we can dk celaph today and i kit rdr.

Doesn't matter which way.

How can it go wrong if scum play along?

They haven't been very co-operative so far. Why assume they'll help us now?

Again, they have to now. Not killing celaph arguably made sense for them to do, since it forces us to handle it today instead of them (this is what I was trying to tell you all yesterday without straight up telling them that they'd benefit by not killing celaph), but they don't have the same luxury going forward.

[Jamiet99uk]

The Alien hasn't killed anybody yet, have they?

[Vecna]

We have to kill from celaph/me/rdr right?

I have claimed kit so assuming I'm not lying it would be daft to dk me. It would also be daft for scum to NK me because then I couldn't use it.

I challenge rdr and celaph to declare their item.

the problem is......you were fine using it on celaph.....maybe, untill I stated you needed to be kitted?

The only reason I can see for you to keep the kit is leverage to not die. Which is not a towny mindset.

[damo666]

Or we can dk celaph today and i kit rdr.

Doesn't matter which way.

How can it go wrong if scum play along?

yeah, kit the person thats already cured or is the alien.

you think im town, so you dont get to apply the ghug brain to this situation

So it's optimum to dk rdr is it not?

[ghug]

Assuming Rdrivera was infected rather than actually being the Alien, when would that have occurred?

Order of operations says that kits happen after infections, so literally whenever.

[ghug]

The Alien hasn't killed anybody yet, have they?

Not unless the mafia tried to kill the alien or the same target as the alien, or we have an unclaimed save.

[Vecna]

We have to kill from celaph/me/rdr right?

I have claimed kit so assuming I'm not lying it would be daft to dk me. It would also be daft for scum to NK me because then I couldn't use it.

I challenge rdr and celaph to declare their item.

the problem is......you were fine using it on celaph.....maybe, untill I stated you needed to be kitted?

The only reason I can see for you to keep the kit is leverage to not die. Which is not a towny mindset.

because in a situation where you would also turn up with DNA (which alien you would), and maybe celaph dying....youd need to either present that you could cure yourself, or whoever else jamiet might scanned.

[Jamiet99uk]

The Alien hasn't killed anybody yet, have they?

Not unless the mafia tried to kill the alien or the same target as the alien, or we have an unclaimed save.

Fairly unlikely then. And I meant *successfully* killed, so the save possibility doesn't worry me so much. I assumed this was the case, thanks for confirming.

[ghug]

The Alien hasn't killed anybody yet, have they?

Not unless the mafia tried to kill the alien or the same target as the alien, or we have an unclaimed save.

Fairly unlikely then. And I meant *successfully* killed, so the save possibility doesn't worry me so much. I assumed this was the case, thanks for confirming.

It could be a save of the mafia kill too.

[Vecna]

Or we can dk celaph today and i kit rdr.

Doesn't matter which way.

How can it go wrong if scum play along?

yeah, kit the person thats already cured or is the alien.

you think im town, so you dont get to apply the ghug brain to this situation

So it's optimum to dk rdr is it not?

no.....?

Celaph kill results in either alien or infected person dying

Rdr kill is either alien or non infected person.

option 1 is good regardless. option 2 is only good in case it flips alien. Of the 3 of you, I feel Rdr is least likely to be alien.

[Jamiet99uk]

Assuming Rdrivera was infected rather than actually being the Alien, when would that have occurred?

Order of operations says that kits happen after infections, so literally whenever.

Right, but we can rule out last night, can't we? Because the Alien Infection says it takes one night before it manifests (that's mentioned in point 1 of the Alien Infection sequence). So if the Alien had infected Rdrivera last night, Vecna would *not* have been told that Rdrivera was infected.

[Jamiet99uk]

Assuming Rdrivera was infected rather than actually being the Alien, when would that have occurred?

Order of operations says that kits happen after infections, so literally whenever.

Right, but we can rule out last night, can't we? Because the Alien Infection says it takes one night before it manifests (that's mentioned in point 1 of the Alien Infection sequence). So if the Alien had infected Rdrivera last night, Vecna would *not* have been told that Rdrivera was infected.

Note: I mean this bit, from ND on Page 1:

Infection Stages
1. Night of Infection: If the Alien infects a player and that player is also scanned that night they will not register as ALIEN DNA.
2. N2 (Next night): The player will begin to register as ALIEN DNA

[Vecna]

Assuming Rdrivera was infected rather than actually being the Alien, when would that have occurred?

Order of operations says that kits happen after infections, so literally whenever.

Right, but we can rule out last night, can't we? Because the Alien Infection says it takes one night before it manifests (that's mentioned in point 1 of the Alien Infection sequence). So if the Alien had infected Rdrivera last night, Vecna would *not* have been told that Rdrivera was infected.

not sure if this logic applies to kits. havent asked yet. feel free to ask, im signing off for the night.

[Jamiet99uk]

Order of operations says that kits happen after infections, so literally whenever.

Right, but we can rule out last night, can't we? Because the Alien Infection says it takes one night before it manifests (that's mentioned in point 1 of the Alien Infection sequence). So if the Alien had infected Rdrivera last night, Vecna would *not* have been told that Rdrivera was infected.

not sure if this logic applies to kits. havent asked yet. feel free to ask, im signing off for the night.

I already did. I'm awaiting a GM coming online. You don't feel like waiting with me?