Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

[Maniac]

Killing Thamick will be the stupidest thing town has done in a long time.

He can only be 1/3 of Mafia team, possibly the alien or maybe town.

If you’re town and are worried about the alien think how scum must feel. Even if we were almost positive that Thamick was the alien, why do we have to kill him? Shouldn’t wait for scum to try and fail thereby wasting a scum kill? I don’t think we are sure Thamick is alien.

I realise of course that if people like Thamick and Celaph aren’t good kills, then as an unclear, I’m elevated up that list of people we should be killing. Maybe good town or scum play would be for me to keep quiet, but objectively I see this as a poor kill.

[Vecna]

The risk is if mafia is playing without hope then they possibly throw to the alien.

Mafia still have 3 members, so why they will be playing without hope. I believe Brain told the truth about Jasnah being Shaman, so Mafia don't have to worry with Doc saves. In fact, Mafia is probably in a better position then town to win this game, and their biggest concern should be the Alien.

You think brain, knowing jasnah was shaman, would tell us that rather than letting someone on his team claim it?

and thats probably exactly why he did tell us

[Vecna]

At this point I think we should kill Thamrick, Damo should consider carefully if he want to use the Kit or not and scum should probably just kill Celaph.

This is good thinking.

If scum confirm they are killing celaph I will hold kit.

Great idea.

Yeah, im sure scum will out just to confirm that

[Vecna]

Killing Thamick will be the stupidest thing town has done in a long time.

He can only be 1/3 of Mafia team, possibly the alien or maybe town.

If you’re town and are worried about the alien think how scum must feel. Even if we were almost positive that Thamick was the alien, why do we have to kill him? Shouldn’t wait for scum to try and fail thereby wasting a scum kill? I don’t think we are sure Thamick is alien.

I realise of course that if people like Thamick and Celaph aren’t good kills, then as an unclear, I’m elevated up that list of people we should be killing. Maybe good town or scum play would be for me to keep quiet, but objectively I see this as a poor kill.

Thats a very interesting post by maniac. Will he ever make this post if he is scum? Maybe if Tham is the MiB, but even then, will he stick his neck out this much? Would he go through this effort to white-knight a non-scum Tham? I dont think any of these make sense, and as scum maniac wasnt this opinionated at all.

As alien, id think hed be ecstatic about a Tham kill here (unless for some reason tham was also infected and this kill risks him being brought back to 0 of 1 infections).

Starting to feel better about my scumteam prediction of fox+ghug.

[Maniac]

Killing Thamick will be the stupidest thing town has done in a long time.

He can only be 1/3 of Mafia team, possibly the alien or maybe town.

If you’re town and are worried about the alien think how scum must feel. Even if we were almost positive that Thamick was the alien, why do we have to kill him? Shouldn’t wait for scum to try and fail thereby wasting a scum kill? I don’t think we are sure Thamick is alien.

I realise of course that if people like Thamick and Celaph aren’t good kills, then as an unclear, I’m elevated up that list of people we should be killing. Maybe good town or scum play would be for me to keep quiet, but objectively I see this as a poor kill.

Thats a very interesting post by maniac. Will he ever make this post if he is scum? Maybe if Tham is the MiB, but even then, will he stick his neck out this much? Would he go through this effort to white-knight a non-scum Tham? I dont think any of these make sense, and as scum maniac wasnt this opinionated at all.

As alien, id think hed be ecstatic about a Tham kill here (unless for some reason tham was also infected and this kill risks him being brought back to 0 of 1 infections).

Starting to feel better about my scumteam prediction of fox+ghug.

I’m still scum reading Fox ( ##vote Foxtail) Ghug I’m unsure about. I’m not sure if I like Damo and his ‘I’ll cure Celaph tonight’ promise. Is that an easy scum play to make sure he isn’t a DK today?

[Vecna]

Dont think he was ever going to be daykill today.

And whether he's the alien.....It might be an ok'ish idea for the scum and their dna kit that brain claimed to use it on Damo. If they get a msg that it cleared DNA (which according to the latest gm answer should be the case if he's alien as well) its quite likely we caughts ourselves a fat alien.

That way they can still spent their kills on our precious clears so they have a chance as well

[Vecna]

Doubtful ill be very active going into EoD. Guess im ok with killing Tham

[Jamiet99uk]

You're assuming that the alien knows that we're unlikely to die early. The problem with the Thamrick alien narrative is that I don't think Tham knows this about us and thus wouldn't target me.

Are there people out there with good meta knowledge and would see targeting me after I asked for it as rather humorous?

thamrick has been paying attention though by the looks of his few posts that have been relevant, and i think he could probably see a reason to infect you
its perhaps less likely than some other people though

This is something I really want to stress to anyone who hasn't picked up on it. Bob is right about this. Thamrick has been paying attention. He's aware of the general game state and he seems able to pop in and make a few comments without being totally lost by all the comings-and-goings of the game.

He. Is. Lurking.

[Jamiet99uk]

Killing Thamick will be the stupidest thing town has done in a long time.

He can only be 1/3 of Mafia team, possibly the alien or maybe town.

If you’re town and are worried about the alien think how scum must feel. Even if we were almost positive that Thamick was the alien, why do we have to kill him? Shouldn’t wait for scum to try and fail thereby wasting a scum kill? I don’t think we are sure Thamick is alien.

I realise of course that if people like Thamick and Celaph aren’t good kills, then as an unclear, I’m elevated up that list of people we should be killing. Maybe good town or scum play would be for me to keep quiet, but objectively I see this as a poor kill.

Why would scum deliberately aim a kill that they think would fail?

[TheMadMonarch]

Killing Thamick will be the stupidest thing town has done in a long time.

He can only be 1/3 of Mafia team, possibly the alien or maybe town.

If you’re town and are worried about the alien think how scum must feel. Even if we were almost positive that Thamick was the alien, why do we have to kill him? Shouldn’t wait for scum to try and fail thereby wasting a scum kill? I don’t think we are sure Thamick is alien.

I realise of course that if people like Thamick and Celaph aren’t good kills, then as an unclear, I’m elevated up that list of people we should be killing. Maybe good town or scum play would be for me to keep quiet, but objectively I see this as a poor kill.

Why would scum deliberately aim a kill that they think would fail?

To see whether it did?

[rdrivera2005]

Killing Thamick will be the stupidest thing town has done in a long time.

He can only be 1/3 of Mafia team, possibly the alien or maybe town.

If you’re town and are worried about the alien think how scum must feel. Even if we were almost positive that Thamick was the alien, why do we have to kill him? Shouldn’t wait for scum to try and fail thereby wasting a scum kill? I don’t think we are sure Thamick is alien.

I realise of course that if people like Thamick and Celaph aren’t good kills, then as an unclear, I’m elevated up that list of people we should be killing. Maybe good town or scum play would be for me to keep quiet, but objectively I see this as a poor kill.

There is two problems with your reasoning:
First, you believe scum will target Alien with their NK, which is highly doubtful.
Second, even if they target Alien, how do you expect them to communicate this to town?

[Foxcastle]

this seems very funky, but i think i could get down with this
especially if alien can win after death we need to deal with it sooner rather than later, and mafia is comparatively unthreatening right now

The risk is if mafia is playing without hope then they possibly throw to the alien.

Mafia still have 3 members, so why they will be playing without hope. I believe Brain told the truth about Jasnah being Shaman, so Mafia don't have to worry with Doc saves. In fact, Mafia is probably in a better position then town to win this game, and their biggest concern should be the Alien.

How would mafia know that Jasneh was the Shaman?

[Foxcastle]

At this point I think we should kill Thamrick, Damo should consider carefully if he want to use the Kit or not and scum should probably just kill Celaph.

This is good thinking.

If scum confirm they are killing celaph I will hold kit.

How on Earth do you think scum will confirm this?
I think it's a gambling on if scum have a deep threat or not. If they think their chance to win is decent they might go for it as it's one less infected. Or they might want to avoid losing the NK (if Celaph is the Alien) and let the dirty work for town.

But Tham lack of engagement will force us to kill him at some point and today is probably the last chance for it.

Agree with Rdrivera here. There's not guarantee than scum will kill celaph, and a bunch of reasons it might not be in their favor (e.g., if he's scum), and if there isn't a strong and compelling tactical reason to do it, we can't rely on them to do it out of the kindness of their hearts.

[Foxcastle]

This is good thinking.

If scum confirm they are killing celaph I will hold kit.

How on Earth do you think scum will confirm this?
I think it's a gambling on if scum have a deep threat or not. If they think their chance to win is decent they might go for it as it's one less infected. Or they might want to avoid losing the NK (if Celaph is the Alien) and let the dirty work for town.

But Tham lack of engagement will force us to kill him at some point and today is probably the last chance for it.

It was an attempt at humour rdr.

[Foxcastle]

@rd, what made you move from one of the thamrick kill holdouts to jumping on the wagon?

@Foxcastle, will you commit to killing celaph tonight?

oF cOwrSe gOoG, mE aN Da sCuM tEaM wiL dU dAt fEr yA!1!



This is sarcasm, by the way, since I know you all need that clarification. I am not scum and have no input on their kill.

[Foxcastle]

The risk is if mafia is playing without hope then they possibly throw to the alien.

Mafia still have 3 members, so why they will be playing without hope. I believe Brain told the truth about Jasnah being Shaman, so Mafia don't have to worry with Doc saves. In fact, Mafia is probably in a better position then town to win this game, and their biggest concern should be the Alien.

How would mafia know that Jasneh was the Shaman?

UGH, nevermind. I was thinking of Kgray being disintegrated. Not awake yet. Yes, mafia could know that Jasnah was the shaman.

[Vecna]

The risk is if mafia is playing without hope then they possibly throw to the alien.

Mafia still have 3 members, so why they will be playing without hope. I believe Brain told the truth about Jasnah being Shaman, so Mafia don't have to worry with Doc saves. In fact, Mafia is probably in a better position then town to win this game, and their biggest concern should be the Alien.

How would mafia know that Jasneh was the Shaman?

They would if Bunny wasnt actually afk after EoN2 but talking in scumchat

[Vecna]

in fact, maybe the GM wouldve just told em the reveal in the scum QT

##call GM: Would you only tell the result of the wetwork kit to the gunman in a PM, or give the result in the scum QT?

[worcej]

As you have been dedicating time to consider this, how likely do you think is Tham choosing Celaph for N1 infection?

I think it's possible, but unlikely because I would assume tham has not meta experience/knowledge on who celaph is.

If Tham was Alien, I'd assume he'd infect someone who has played for awhile like yourself, Jamie, Vecna, ghug, Foxcastle, etc.

id assume alien would go after someone like celaph or macca (or perhaps me) as players who are very unlikely to die early
infecting a good player is worthless if scum kills them off because theyre too problematic

I agree, but would think that Tham (someone not around for some time) wouldn't just know this easily.

[Foxcastle]

I think it's possible, but unlikely because I would assume tham has not meta experience/knowledge on who celaph is.

If Tham was Alien, I'd assume he'd infect someone who has played for awhile like yourself, Jamie, Vecna, ghug, Foxcastle, etc.

id assume alien would go after someone like celaph or macca (or perhaps me) as players who are very unlikely to die early
infecting a good player is worthless if scum kills them off because theyre too problematic

I agree, but would think that Tham (someone not around for some time) wouldn't just know this easily.

What do you think of Jamie's point that Tham is remarkably attuned to the game for "someone not around for some time"?