Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

[rdrivera2005]

ill leave that to the gm's. As long as people are claiming that stuff went wrong and are under suspicion for that, or are using it to try and look good, I dont think its unreasonable to verify whether more mistakes were made.

Forget the past mistakes. I think GMs never confirm private messages being sent or not or the timestamp of the messages. It's really unfair to GMs to have to deal with this.

[Jamiet99uk]

My non-town-pool is currently Thamrick, Maniac and Damo.

If I am wrong about one of those, possibly Ghug or Vecna.

Only after eliminating these possibilities would I seriously consider Foxcastle.

Can you explain this at all? I really dont get your logic here.

Which parts do you disagree with?

[Vecna]

First of all, even if youre right on all 3 youre still missing the 4th non-town. I dont understand why you suddenly are unwilling to consider fox. is it because his item thief claim? You believe him then?

Youre not interested in the alien at all here?

What about the other players? You have a solid read on Rdrivera?

[thamrick]

Whatever we do I am NOT hammering. I want to be patient about this. We should let Celaph comment, and of course I'm sure Thamrick has a lot to say.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDgHUj8sJaQ

[Vecna]

##vote Thamrick

Ok, if this is gonna be how it goes im just gonna stop caring as well

[Foxcastle]

Tham is the obv kill today.

##end

You already told you think Thamrick is the Alien. Do you think Alien Thamrick choose Celaph to infect on N1? At this point we can't discard the obvious possibility of Celaph being the Alien. If we are doing an Alien hunt, I would flip him before Thamrick.

And I am not sure Thamrick or Celaph are the right choice today, if Thamrick is the Alien he didn't infect on N2.

I think Fox is still scum using a convenient Item Thief action to try to avoid being the DK. The explanation for not using it before is also lame.

I would also consider joining a wagon on Maniac, he is lurking pretty badly and I have a feeling he might have something to do with Jasnah's kill.

Seems like a lot of effort for scum to transfer an item that's not that useful to them, carried out in a way that's pretty artless. Like, I look *worse* now for it.

And you can all fuck right off on how I should have used it.

[dargorygel]

GM ANSWERS
(If I missed one, let me know…)

a) The player removing DNA from a target IS notified that DNA was successfully removed.
b) The alien is counted in the total number of DNA-infected players.
c) We have said all we plan to say about “all night action notifications’ timeliness.” (unofficial side note: I urge players not to use GM error as a game factor. We erred, and I am sorry for our errorS. But please don't make it worse. Thanks)

[thamrick]

Yeah, there are twelve of us left. There's a very plausible worst case scenario here where we come into tomorrow with 5 infected and 5 clean, and then we have to kill the alien, or we have to kill infected and then scum have to kill infected, or we lose. If someone's been camping, we could lose even sooner, but I'm going to assume that hasn't happened, since it was highlighted pretty early that camping shouldn't happen.

There are up to three reverse alien DNA kits, two if brain was telling the truth, but there's no indication that we learn if those are successful (##CALLGM Does the user of a reverse DNA kit learn anything about whether the item did anything?) so while we could heal celaph, that wouldn't do anything to delay an alien win if he is in fact the alien, and we have no way of knowing if he is.

Now, it's likely we're not in the worst case scenario, but it isn't particularly likely, since nobody that unexpected has died, and we're also going to have to kill celaph at some point regardless, either because he's a likely alien candidate and we need to catch the alien or because the alien appears to be able to win even if they're dead (##CALLGM is this accurate?), so we can't really let him get to a small endgame if that's where we're headed.

If there were no alien in the game, we'd have two miskills before MILO with the mafia, so the alien is the primary threat right now.

##VOTE celaph

I disagree. Your basing things of a worst case scenario whereas a player infected N1 will only have a 50/50 chance of still being alive when we reach the halfway point. Add to that that Jamie can keep getting scans off and we may be able to detect infected people later with VCA if alien takes control and alien isn’t the primary threat right now. We might also hit them by accident whilst scum hunting. Killing a likely town because he is infected right now isn’t good play imho.

I’m happy with Fox or Tham kills.

Why do you say I'm likely town?

Seems like an alien thing to say.....

[Vecna]

Fox is scum and so is ghug

##vote Tham

This game is so easy...

Actually, rereading the fox reveal.....this does not seem that unlikely.

Tham/fox/ghug scumteam

Maniac or Celaph alien (maniac as option based solely on how hard he responded to ghug trying to wagon Celaph - trying to save his infected toy)

[thamrick]

So do you all think I was actually jailed or just claim jailed? I understand the alien thinking. But unless I'm secretary, why would scum jail me and prevent my night action? (Hint: I can't be secretary based on my scan) If I wasn't jailed, who did BB jail that night and have you ever known BB to not use an action he's got? (Hint: no)

[Maniac]

It is Day Four.
EMC was eliminated on Day Two and still has more posts than Maniac + Thamrick combined.

He always was a chatty kathy

[thamrick]

It is Day Four.
EMC was eliminated on Day Two and still has more posts than Maniac + Thamrick combined.

He always was a chatty kathy

Hey! Settle down. You're gaining on me

[Foxcastle]

It is Day Four.
EMC was eliminated on Day Two and still has more posts than Maniac + Thamrick combined.

He always was a chatty kathy

Hey! Settle down. You're gaining on me

Tham and Maniac seem pretty pleased that their lurking is working.

[Foxcastle]

He always was a chatty kathy

Hey! Settle down. You're gaining on me

Tham and Maniac seem pretty pleased that their lurking is working.

Well, not so much for Tham anymore...

[Jamiet99uk]

Youre not interested in the alien at all here?

What??

I think Thamrick is the Alien.

[Jamiet99uk]

So do you all think I was actually jailed or just claim jailed? I understand the alien thinking. But unless I'm secretary, why would scum jail me and prevent my night action? (Hint: I can't be secretary based on my scan) If I wasn't jailed, who did BB jail that night and have you ever known BB to not use an action he's got? (Hint: no)

What does this mean?

Your scan by Bonatogether?

Try again. He was the Insane Cop so he gets the same result from every scan.

[BobMcBob]

still happy with tham, fox and maniac as the next three kills at this rate
i like than wagon but i want to keep the fox wagon active (thats a thing people do right?) and i still believe he is scum

celaph is worth looking into but i think not the right choice today without some very strange developments

i can confirm i have not been camping

[BobMcBob]

So do you all think I was actually jailed or just claim jailed? I understand the alien thinking. But unless I'm secretary, why would scum jail me and prevent my night action? (Hint: I can't be secretary based on my scan) If I wasn't jailed, who did BB jail that night and have you ever known BB to not use an action he's got? (Hint: no)

yeah okay this post smells more than a little fishy
i dont understand where any of this logic is coming from
dont particularly like it

[Jamiet99uk]

First of all, even if youre right on all 3 youre still missing the 4th non-town. I dont understand why you suddenly are unwilling to consider fox. is it because his item thief claim? You believe him then?

What about the other players? You have a solid read on Rdrivera?

To answer Vecna's other points, I can't kill four people at once, so I'll look for the final non-town if and when we get to that point, hopefully.

I am not unwilling to consider Foxcastle altogether, but I do think he's less likely to be scum than one of you or Ghug (but not both, or you've put on some damn fine theatre for us).

Foxcastle for me has been quite towny all game and the repeated pushes on him have felt wrong to me.

I think Rdrivera is more likely town than not but he's an outside bet for Alien if Thamrick is just regular scum. That's why I scanned him.

[thamrick]

So do you all think I was actually jailed or just claim jailed? I understand the alien thinking. But unless I'm secretary, why would scum jail me and prevent my night action? (Hint: I can't be secretary based on my scan) If I wasn't jailed, who did BB jail that night and have you ever known BB to not use an action he's got? (Hint: no)

What does this mean?

Your scan by Bonatogether?

Try again. He was the Insane Cop so he gets the same result from every scan.

No? Insane cop is backwards