Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

[Vecna]

Regardless, either fox is a naughty naughty liar.

Or the GM forgot about the item thieving, meaning scum likely reminded the gm and he resolved it at the 68m mark.

Option 2 means that Tham and Rdrivera are very very unlikely to be the item thief. Any other persons that werent around at that timeframe?

I'm already uneasy drawing conclusions from GM error on the tham front, and that one has no plausible explanation if he's town (unless bona switched late, I suppose, but I feel like he would have told us that). Forgot to PM seems plenty plausible here.

if you actually forget something, you need to be reminded of that.

Anyways, I already regret writing that post.

[Vecna]

##vote Maniac

[Vecna]

Also, why is there less than a page of new stuff lol?

Itd be great of some people would start contributing so we can read em.

Also, people that wanna clear fox just over the gm mistake, thats some dumb shit since its not confirmed whether a gm mistake was actually made.

Either it was made, and he's probably non-scum (like, that worcej theory makes so little sense), or he's lying about the gm mistake to make his claim of item-theft seem more credible by making up out-of-the-ordinary circumstances surrounding it. Its super-lame to use in this game thats already so plagued by errors, but with how butthurt brainbomb was earlier, id think scum are VERY LIKELY to be in the mindset to now use the gm nonsense to their benefit.

[damo666]

@Damo:

It's 18th March now.

Thought you'd want to know.

Yeah . It's feeling very 18 March.

[damo666]

Tham is the obv kill today.

##end

[Jamiet99uk]

Yeah, there are twelve of us left. There's a very plausible worst case scenario here where we come into tomorrow with 5 infected and 5 clean, and then we have to kill the alien, or we have to kill infected and then scum have to kill infected, or we lose. If someone's been camping, we could lose even sooner, but I'm going to assume that hasn't happened, since it was highlighted pretty early that camping shouldn't happen.

I think anyone who has been to the RV Campsite must now tell us if this has occurred?

I declare that have I not been to a campsite.

I demand that others clarify their own campsite status. Seriously please do this. We need to know.

[Jamiet99uk]

Tham is the obv kill today.

##end

Shut up endvoting. We need to discuss things.

[Jamiet99uk]

I disagree. Your basing things of a worst case scenario whereas a player infected N1 will only have a 50/50 chance of still being alive when we reach the halfway point. Add to that that Jamie can keep getting scans off and we may be able to detect infected people later with VCA if alien takes control and alien isn’t the primary threat right now. We might also hit them by accident whilst scum hunting. Killing a likely town because he is infected right now isn’t good play imho.

I’m happy with Fox or Tham kills.

Why do you say I'm likely town?

Do you have something to confess?

[Jamiet99uk]

Also, why is there less than a page of new stuff lol?

Itd be great of some people would start contributing so we can read em.

This is what happens when the existence of Thamrick and Maniac is tolerated.

@Maniac why are you lurking so hard and contributing so little?

[Jamiet99uk]

It is Day Four.
EMC was eliminated on Day Two and still has more posts than Maniac + Thamrick combined.

[Jamiet99uk]

My non-town-pool is currently Thamrick, Maniac and Damo.

If I am wrong about one of those, possibly Ghug or Vecna.

Only after eliminating these possibilities would I seriously consider Foxcastle.

[TheMadMonarch]

Yeah, there are twelve of us left. There's a very plausible worst case scenario here where we come into tomorrow with 5 infected and 5 clean, and then we have to kill the alien, or we have to kill infected and then scum have to kill infected, or we lose. If someone's been camping, we could lose even sooner, but I'm going to assume that hasn't happened, since it was highlighted pretty early that camping shouldn't happen.

There are up to three reverse alien DNA kits, two if brain was telling the truth, but there's no indication that we learn if those are successful (##CALLGM Does the user of a reverse DNA kit learn anything about whether the item did anything?) so while we could heal celaph, that wouldn't do anything to delay an alien win if he is in fact the alien, and we have no way of knowing if he is.

Now, it's likely we're not in the worst case scenario, but it isn't particularly likely, since nobody that unexpected has died, and we're also going to have to kill celaph at some point regardless, either because he's a likely alien candidate and we need to catch the alien or because the alien appears to be able to win even if they're dead (##CALLGM is this accurate?), so we can't really let him get to a small endgame if that's where we're headed.

If there were no alien in the game, we'd have two miskills before MILO with the mafia, so the alien is the primary threat right now.

##VOTE celaph

I like this idea to be used further down the road, but I just don't think it's the right move yet.

[TheMadMonarch]

@Damo:

It's 18th March now.

Thought you'd want to know.

Yeah . It's feeling very 18 March.

And I'm the weird one for feeling colours...

[Vecna]

My non-town-pool is currently Thamrick, Maniac and Damo.

If I am wrong about one of those, possibly Ghug or Vecna.

Only after eliminating these possibilities would I seriously consider Foxcastle.

Can you explain this at all? I really dont get your logic here.

[dargorygel]

Vote Count 4.01
thamrick (5) damo666, Jamiet99uk, Foxcastle, Macca573, Maniac
Foxcastle (2) BobMcBob, worcej
celaph (1) ghug
Maniac (1) Vecna

Not voted: celaph, rdrivera2005, thamrick

One endvote has been noted… damo666 is endvoting thamrick.

thamrick has the most votes.

One day and 9.5 hours remain.

[dargorygel]

(answers to ghug and celaph coming soon.)

[Vecna]

##call GM does the alien himself count as infected for his victory condition? For example, 9 players alive, one being the alien, and 4 infected people. Does he win in that scenario?

##call GM: Were all night actions resolved in a timely matter on N3? Did every player receive their result pms on time?

[rdrivera2005]

##call GM does the alien himself count as infected for his victory condition? For example, 9 players alive, one being the alien, and 4 infected people. Does he win in that scenario?

##call GM: Were all night actions resolved in a timely matter on N3? Did every player receive their result pms on time?

I don't think GMs could or should answer your second question. We have been trying to outguess GMs actions a lot I don't think we should keep going this way.

[Vecna]

ill leave that to the gm's. As long as people are claiming that stuff went wrong and are under suspicion for that, or are using it to try and look good, I dont think its unreasonable to verify whether more mistakes were made.

[rdrivera2005]

Tham is the obv kill today.

##end

You already told you think Thamrick is the Alien. Do you think Alien Thamrick choose Celaph to infect on N1? At this point we can't discard the obvious possibility of Celaph being the Alien. If we are doing an Alien hunt, I would flip him before Thamrick.

And I am not sure Thamrick or Celaph are the right choice today, if Thamrick is the Alien he didn't infect on N2.

I think Fox is still scum using a convenient Item Thief action to try to avoid being the DK. The explanation for not using it before is also lame.

I would also consider joining a wagon on Maniac, he is lurking pretty badly and I have a feeling he might have something to do with Jasnah's kill.