Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

[Vecna]

even telling scum/alien about the second vest....let them guess when it is or isnt used I guess

[ghug]

its basically only upside and no downside at this point.

It might work, or it might not work without giving any real upside to the alien/scum

Doesn't knowing who has what items allow the scum to navigate them more effectively?

[Jamiet99uk]

What if everyone claims whether or not they've had an item stolen from them?

This gives scum no new information at all, but it might be informative for us.

[ghug]

What if everyone claims whether or not they've had an item stolen from them?

This gives scum no new information at all, but it might be informative for us.

I'd hope people would have been telling us this already.

[Jamiet99uk]

What if everyone claims whether or not they've had an item stolen from them?

This gives scum no new information at all, but it might be informative for us.

I'd hope people would have been telling us this already.

Well did your dreams come true, or not? Because I don't see any such claims.

[ghug]

What if everyone claims whether or not they've had an item stolen from them?

This gives scum no new information at all, but it might be informative for us.

I'd hope people would have been telling us this already.

Well did your dreams come true, or not? Because I don't see any such claims.

Nor do I, but I've been assuming that's because nobody alive has had an item stolen.

If you've had an item stolen, tell us.

[Jamiet99uk]

My item has not been stolen.

[Vecna]

What if everyone claims whether or not they've had an item stolen from them?

This gives scum no new information at all, but it might be informative for us.

I'd hope people would have been telling us this already.

Well did your dreams come true, or not? Because I don't see any such claims.

Theyve been stealing from dead people jamiet. This helps them with the eventual massclaim and doesnt townclear people.

[Jamiet99uk]

I'd hope people would have been telling us this already.

Well did your dreams come true, or not? Because I don't see any such claims.

Theyve been stealing from dead people jamiet. This helps them with the eventual massclaim and doesnt townclear people.

So you want an EoN item claim, or don't you?

[Vecna]

yeah lets do it

[Jamiet99uk]

yeah lets do it

Until then, do you think Worcej is a scumbo, and why?

[BobMcBob]

i dont think this is an uncommon view, and i said it last night too, but i am 90% sure the remaining scumteam is than, foxc and maniac

[Vecna]

yeah lets do it

Until then, do you think Worcej is a scumbo, and why?

Yeah I think so. He's doing the whole pretense thing a bit too much

[ghug]

yeah lets do it

Can we not just let Vecna decide this for us please?

[Vecna]

I think the scumteam is Ghug + Worcej + Fox. Ghug could potentially be exchanged by Tham or Celaph or Maniac but I doubt it.

The alien is probably in Damo/Celaph/Tham/Ghug/Maniac

[Jamiet99uk]

yeah lets do it

Can we not just let Vecna decide this for us please?

What would you like to tell us, Ghug?

Here is a mantle of leadership.
Now is your time.
Step up. Come on.

[Jamiet99uk]

The name of Ghug has given you an appreciation for many beautiful and refined aspects of life--music and art, literature, drama--and the outdoors, where you find much peace and relaxation, but it creates a far too sensitive nature.

You sense and feel much that you do not understand, and sometimes you are alarmed at your thoughts and wonder about their origin.

You rarely experience the tranquility that comes with stability of thinking or emotional control.

At times, you are very inspired, desiring to be with people and to entertain others as the "life of the party," while at other times you are aloof and choose to remove yourself entirely from association.

You crave understanding and affection but your intensity of desire and your self-consciousness prevent you from finding the happiness you desire.

You have suffered many disappointments and misunderstandings because of your inability to express your inner thoughts.

[ghug]

yeah lets do it

Can we not just let Vecna decide this for us please?

What would you like to tell us, Ghug?

Here is a mantle of leadership.
Now is your time.
Step up. Come on.

First, I don't see any reason we should be assuming Vecna's town, so taking him at face value is a mistake. I've returned from vacation, so I may have time to discuss this in more depth soon.

Second, I've laid out why I don't think the massclaim is a good idea. Making people claim at EoN is never going to work, and I find it hard to believe that scum won't have stolen at least two items by the time the night is over, giving them plausible ability to claim things for the one or two scum who can't claim their true initial item, even before considering that for many items, we don't know exactly how many were in play to begin with, and that we're never going to know what kgray was holding or have more than an educated guess on Chaqa. Then there's the fact that giving scum item info lets them target their steals and their kills accordingly, and it seems obvious to me that an item claim is more pro-scum than pro-town.

[Vecna]

yeah lets do it

Can we not just let Vecna decide this for us please?

I dont think you have the right to complain about someone else leading with your play this game.

No offence and all that. Unless you wanna make some entertaining argument that im anything other than obvtown here.

[Vecna]

Or bring up some good arguments why we shouldnt.

Thats fine as well.