Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

[brainbomb]

thats how to make a readable reads list celly

[ghug]

There's no way brain knows what "anterior" means.

[ghug]

BobMcBob-very solid city lecture. Solid questions, many ideas. Fans.

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Belt-overall it's pretty good. Usually, I would say that it is impossible to compete for the scum of D3 twice. Now my scum for foxes is getting stronger and stronger, which should eliminate the cecum. And this never even thought about how he caught the rabbit. But two scums are dying today, so the headscarf is like scum? ? ? This logic does not end. city-

damo666- After discovering that the carriage had disappeared obviously, his timing of voting on BunnyGo became very bad and his performance was very bad, more like a way for him to hide a more direct fish rolling. Essentially did not do anything else interesting, and may have protected rdrivera * or * celaph D1. Few questions were asked, and there was no strange, damn thought process. scum.

DemonRHK-I don’t like the way he leaves the rdrivera truck and refuses the opportunity to bring the rabbit back when the truck dies. Nor did he understand how he got those early city speeches, he* felt very uncomfortable and defensive at his entrance. Frivolity

ghug-not so sure. At first I thought his game was earlier than the last game, but obviously I was far from his thinking. Since he publicly stated after the last game that he specially modified his game to allow some people, including myself, to read it, I am also very wary that he might do the same thing again in another direction. For the rest of the time, he felt more like himself, but when rdrivera scum, he looked really bad. Nevertheless, at least he broke the band. zero

Macca573-Clear but low sense of presence, I hardly remember anything they did in this game. Because I remember that they are a very solid town, the last time I read was a book they had read. This gave me a resonance very similar to when I got rid of HB in the early days. I certainly think that Macca needs to play more.

Madman-exists. There is nothing to say, although if rdrivera * or * celaph is scum, the VCA looks good, which is remarkable because it is very unique. zero

rdrivera2005-His D1 is lazy, just like the last game, but his N1 is worse. Since the last time, he seems to be imitating his own game: OMGUS on me is much weaker, this time it is completely meaningless, this is because I didn’t give him a name at the beginning, and because I was so far from the hardest place. Push his D1 far. I don't understand why he claimed that he was softening D1, both because I didn't see such a soft feeling, but also because anyone said that they softened something, except when making a hard claim anyway? VCA also revealed that rdrivera is the most likely person D1 to be saved. All in all, there are strong scum now.

Vecna-exists. have done nothing. It is very likely to be killed anyway. zero.

[TheMadMonarch]

I have many comments about some of those last posts. I'm baffled that they've been said...

[damo666]

A superior piss take

[TheMadMonarch]

BobMcBob - Very solid townread. Solid questioning, plenty thoughts. Big fan.

Bonatogether -clear

celaph - Pretty great all around. Normally I'd say that two scum being up for grabs D3 is unlikely and with my scumread on fox getting stronger that should rule celaph out; and thats before ever even pondering how he caught bunny. but with two scumteam dying today, celaph as scum??? that logic doesn't hold up. town

damo666 - Find his vote pattern to be the worst of anyone, as the timing of his vote on BunnyGo after that wagon had clearly died really sticks out as bad, and looks more like a way for him to cover up a more direct flip onto fisch. Has done essentially nothing else of note, and could conceivably have been protecting either rdrivera *or* celaph D1. There's been very little questioning and no strange damoish thought processes going on either. Scum.

DemonRHK - Don't like the way he left the rdrivera wagon and refused the opportunity to return it when the Bunny wagon died. Don't understand how he got those early townreads either, and he *did* feel very awkward & defensive in his entrance. Slight scum

ghug - Not entirely sure. I felt his game to be very anterior compared to last game early on but was apparently an outlier on that thought. Given he openly said after last game that he'd tailored his play specifically to get certain people including myself to townread him I'm also pretty wary that he might be doing the same thing again in the other direction. Regarding the rest of his day he felt more like himself but if rdrivera is scum he looks really bad. Still, he did at least break the tie. Null

Macca573 - Clear but Very low presence, I can barely remember anything they've done this game. Given I recollect them being a pretty solid townread last time they played this gives me very similar vibes to the sort I was getting off of HB early last game, and I definitely think Macca needs to play more

Maniac - Exists. Nothing to really say, although the VCA looks pretty good for him if either rdrivera *or* celaph is scum, which is noteworthy as that's pretty much unique. Null

rdrivera2005 - His D1 was very lazy, just like last game, but his N1 has been worse. He almost seems to be parodying his own game from last time: Come in with a much weaker OMGUS on me that this time makes no sense whatsoever both because I initially didn't scumread him and also because I wasn't anywhere near the hardest pusher of him D1. I don't remotely understand why he'd claim that he softed something D1 both because I saw no such soft and because who the hell comes in and says that they've softed something unless it's during a hardclaim anyway? The VCA also makes it look look like rdrivera is the most likely person to have been saved D1. All in all, pretty strong scumread now.

Vecna - Exists. Has done nothing. Will probably get killed anyway. Null.

First, What?

I don't like a lot of this stuff, but beyond that...

DemonRHK??? How? He's not in the game?? What are you on??

And on me specifically, I've played town once before, and I was pretty universally scumread. What are you remembering?

I honestly hate this so much. Also the fact that you:

##End

lets hammer tham actually

You're voting for Fox! This has been pointed out to you and you are blatantly ignoring it.

Frankly BB, you are my top scumread. I enjoy playing with you, but I hate this.

Also,
I don't think the case on Tham is really that strong. Maybe there's something I missed, but it seems to hang a lot of the cause for the GM error. But in my opinion, given the sanity feature and that we know that darg has messed almost this exact thing up earlier, this is NAI.

All things considered,
##VOTE brainbomb

[TheMadMonarch]

A superior piss take

You think it is?? It must be, right? Ghug's post is everything brainbomb said, but worse. And written hastily on mobile.

It took me a while to realize it was a joke, but if you think that as well, I won't post my long piece on why ghug sucks.

[rdrivera2005]

I think Brain just copied a read list from last game to show Celaph how to format.

Or he want to make a point about people not reading big bricks of text.

Anyway, I like Celaps read list and agree on most points. I would include Damo and Worcej on my want to kill list. Damo insistence on Alien hunting is striking me weird.

In fact, anyone voting Tham because they think he is the Alien strike me as possible scum.

[Vecna]

Updated reads list
Macca — Conftown
Bona — All but conftown. Especially given that the GM confirmed that someone got bad information after Bona claimed it.
Jamiet99uk — Uncc’d PR. More likely to be lying than Bona, though that's still very likely. Bad kill for the foreseeable future.
rdr — His thoughts this game have aligned especially well with mine and has felt all around genuine. Very likely town.
Vecna — I think that Vecna’s approach to solving this game has been very towny even if it felt off to me at a few points. I shared some of rd.’s paranoia about Vecna Bunny interactions being SvS, but my fears have been mostly relaxed on reread of them. Particularly the way that Vecna forced Bunny to stay in the conversations as he did here. I also like the way that he has been suspicious of me today, feels natural. Likely town and very likely not mafia. 
BobMcBob — I liked the way that he handled the Bunny shot. ##Call GM: The Gunman learns of their kill’s role by pm, not through the scum QT, correct? Also, I doubt that Bob calls attention to the Bunny Vecna interaction like he did if he was afraid that Bunny was going to die because of it. Probably town and likely not mafia if scum don’t immediately learn gunman results.
ghug — His posting style has been considerably different this game, though that’s probably not alignment indicative. I feel like he has been sharp at times, particularly earlier on, but I get the feeling that scum ghug could pull this off. I like how he handled Jamie’s PR status and claim. He didn’t have a ton of interactions with Bunny and he had nothing that felt particularly scummy nor particularly clearing. Lean town.
damo/worcej — I feel like both had incredibly lackluster D1-N2s and have done well this D3. Damo I think having the worse D1-N2 and the better D3 of the two. Perhaps there is scum here feeling a need to pick it up, but it hasn’t felt forced so far. Lean town (but I feel better about damo than worcej).
————— I want to kill below this line ——————
Foxcastle — I get why Fox’s behavior is suspicious, but on reread I don’t get the feeling that Bunny and Fox were teammates; he had no hesitation when it came to voting him. Though he did ultimately join lfischl’s wagon so maybe he was just distancing. Or maybe this is our alien. Null.
Maniac — So little content here. That said, nothing that makes me think definitely scum. Mostly just here by PoE. The one thing that draws my eye is that Maniac’s logic has been easier to follow than I remember. Like his Foxcastle sus D2 follows directly from a question directed at him N1. I’m not sure if this behavior is alignment indicative, but I like it. Null.
Brainbomb — I had bb down as null to town lean before today, but I feel like he’s been the opposite of Damo and worcej and his posts today are trash. He feels angry and is lacking the sharpness that I liked from him earlier with his dealing of Jamie for example. Null to scumlean.
Thamrick — Not a sexy wagon by any means, but I understand why it’s here. No reason to townread him and the GM mistake seems to look bad for him. I feel bad for him dying this way, but I can’t really imagine that even as town he will be helping us solve. Scumlean.

##vote Tham

Dont think ive ever seen such a big post where I couldnt find a single thing to disagree with.

I still feel like theres "something wrong" with the Tham wagon, but I cant find any rationality behind it besides all the wrong people also seem to want it a little too much. Should probably disregard that.

Really hoping im not townreading Rdrivera/Damo for wrong reasons, since the stuff theyve done that can be read into is little. (and scum damo usually manages to pocket me for some reason).

[Vecna]

BobMcBob - Very solid townread. Solid questioning, plenty thoughts. Big fan.

Bonatogether -clear

celaph - Pretty great all around. Normally I'd say that two scum being up for grabs D3 is unlikely and with my scumread on fox getting stronger that should rule celaph out; and thats before ever even pondering how he caught bunny. but with two scumteam dying today, celaph as scum??? that logic doesn't hold up. town

damo666 - Find his vote pattern to be the worst of anyone, as the timing of his vote on BunnyGo after that wagon had clearly died really sticks out as bad, and looks more like a way for him to cover up a more direct flip onto fisch. Has done essentially nothing else of note, and could conceivably have been protecting either rdrivera *or* celaph D1. There's been very little questioning and no strange damoish thought processes going on either. Scum.

DemonRHK - Don't like the way he left the rdrivera wagon and refused the opportunity to return it when the Bunny wagon died. Don't understand how he got those early townreads either, and he *did* feel very awkward & defensive in his entrance. Slight scum

ghug - Not entirely sure. I felt his game to be very anterior compared to last game early on but was apparently an outlier on that thought. Given he openly said after last game that he'd tailored his play specifically to get certain people including myself to townread him I'm also pretty wary that he might be doing the same thing again in the other direction. Regarding the rest of his day he felt more like himself but if rdrivera is scum he looks really bad. Still, he did at least break the tie. Null

Macca573 - Clear but Very low presence, I can barely remember anything they've done this game. Given I recollect them being a pretty solid townread last time they played this gives me very similar vibes to the sort I was getting off of HB early last game, and I definitely think Macca needs to play more

Maniac - Exists. Nothing to really say, although the VCA looks pretty good for him if either rdrivera *or* celaph is scum, which is noteworthy as that's pretty much unique. Null

rdrivera2005 - His D1 was very lazy, just like last game, but his N1 has been worse. He almost seems to be parodying his own game from last time: Come in with a much weaker OMGUS on me that this time makes no sense whatsoever both because I initially didn't scumread him and also because I wasn't anywhere near the hardest pusher of him D1. I don't remotely understand why he'd claim that he softed something D1 both because I saw no such soft and because who the hell comes in and says that they've softed something unless it's during a hardclaim anyway? The VCA also makes it look look like rdrivera is the most likely person to have been saved D1. All in all, pretty strong scumread now.

Vecna - Exists. Has done nothing. Will probably get killed anyway. Null.

trying to make some dramatic point that noone ever reads your stuff?

[Jamiet99uk]

This is boring.

##VOTE Foxygen

You are giving Thamrick a free pass because why?

[Jamiet99uk]

————— I want to kill below this line ——————
Foxcastle — I get why Fox’s behavior is suspicious, but on reread I don’t get the feeling that Bunny and Fox were teammates; he had no hesitation when it came to voting him. Though he did ultimately join lfischl’s wagon so maybe he was just distancing. Or maybe this is our alien. Null.

Maniac — So little content here. That said, nothing that makes me think definitely scum. Mostly just here by PoE. The one thing that draws my eye is that Maniac’s logic has been easier to follow than I remember. Like his Foxcastle sus D2 follows directly from a question directed at him N1. I’m not sure if this behavior is alignment indicative, but I like it. Null.

Brainbomb — I had bb down as null to town lean before today, but I feel like he’s been the opposite of Damo and worcej and his posts today are trash. He feels angry and is lacking the sharpness that I liked from him earlier with his dealing of Jamie for example. Null to scumlean.

Thamrick — Not a sexy wagon by any means, but I understand why it’s here. No reason to townread him and the GM mistake seems to look bad for him. I feel bad for him dying this way, but I can’t really imagine that even as town he will be helping us solve. Scumlean.

##vote Tham

I agree with those, and in that order.

If town votes in the order of Thamrick, then Brainbomb, then Maniac, victory and profit are likely to result.

[Jamiet99uk]

BobMcBob - Very solid townread. Solid questioning, plenty thoughts. Big fan.

Bonatogether -clear

celaph - Pretty great all around. Normally I'd say that two scum being up for grabs D3 is unlikely and with my scumread on fox getting stronger that should rule celaph out; and thats before ever even pondering how he caught bunny. but with two scumteam dying today, celaph as scum??? that logic doesn't hold up. town

damo666 - Find his vote pattern to be the worst of anyone, as the timing of his vote on BunnyGo after that wagon had clearly died really sticks out as bad, and looks more like a way for him to cover up a more direct flip onto fisch. Has done essentially nothing else of note, and could conceivably have been protecting either rdrivera *or* celaph D1. There's been very little questioning and no strange damoish thought processes going on either. Scum.

DemonRHK - Don't like the way he left the rdrivera wagon and refused the opportunity to return it when the Bunny wagon died. Don't understand how he got those early townreads either, and he *did* feel very awkward & defensive in his entrance. Slight scum

ghug - Not entirely sure. I felt his game to be very anterior compared to last game early on but was apparently an outlier on that thought. Given he openly said after last game that he'd tailored his play specifically to get certain people including myself to townread him I'm also pretty wary that he might be doing the same thing again in the other direction. Regarding the rest of his day he felt more like himself but if rdrivera is scum he looks really bad. Still, he did at least break the tie. Null

Macca573 - Clear but Very low presence, I can barely remember anything they've done this game. Given I recollect them being a pretty solid townread last time they played this gives me very similar vibes to the sort I was getting off of HB early last game, and I definitely think Macca needs to play more

Maniac - Exists. Nothing to really say, although the VCA looks pretty good for him if either rdrivera *or* celaph is scum, which is noteworthy as that's pretty much unique. Null

rdrivera2005 - His D1 was very lazy, just like last game, but his N1 has been worse. He almost seems to be parodying his own game from last time: Come in with a much weaker OMGUS on me that this time makes no sense whatsoever both because I initially didn't scumread him and also because I wasn't anywhere near the hardest pusher of him D1. I don't remotely understand why he'd claim that he softed something D1 both because I saw no such soft and because who the hell comes in and says that they've softed something unless it's during a hardclaim anyway? The VCA also makes it look look like rdrivera is the most likely person to have been saved D1. All in all, pretty strong scumread now.

Vecna - Exists. Has done nothing. Will probably get killed anyway. Null.

You missed me, but I'm more-or-less clear so I forgive you.

But why the fuck is Thamrick not even on this list??

I cannot believe that you would forget about Thamrick existing. Please explain.

[Jamiet99uk]

Vecna - Exists. Has done nothing. Will probably get killed anyway. Null.

And.. you think Vecna has "done nothing"...?

Really?

[Vecna]

ok, well done brainbomb.

rofl

[Jamiet99uk]

Oh, huh.

Brainbomb having the time to troll us with a misleading reads list while repeatedly refusing to answer questions about his vote and hammer, is very unhelpful.

I strongly advocate for Thamrick vs Brainbomb this EoD.

[BobMcBob]

I think Brain just copied a read list from last game to show Celaph how to format.

Or he want to make a point about people not reading big bricks of text.

Anyway, I like Celaps read list and agree on most points. I would include Damo and Worcej on my want to kill list. Damo insistence on Alien hunting is striking me weird.

In fact, anyone voting Tham because they think he is the Alien strike me as possible scum.

it is indeed a reads list from m64
apparently to show how to format reads lists properly

[Jamiet99uk]

@Vecna: If it came down to Foxcastle being one vote ahead of Thamrick, with your vote still on Brainbomb, would you move to Thamrick?

[Jamiet99uk]

@Bob: Are you any closer to deciding how you will vote today?

[Jamiet99uk]

@Foxcastle:
Are you going to vote for Thamrick, Brainbomb, or <checks notes> yourself?