Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

[Jamiet99uk]

vecna maybe you should shut up and stop prospecting for nothings

Wow Brainbomb in a really bad mood for no apparent reason after Town finally killed scum. Super weird.

[dargorygel]

VOTE COUNT 3.01 (Ahem-inated)
Foxcastle (4) ghug, Bonatogether, rdrivera2005, Maniac
thamrick (2) damo666, brainbomb
Maniac (1) Jamiet99uk
brainbomb (1) Vecna

Unvoted: BobMcBob, celaph, Foxcastle

Foxcastle has the most votes
Not voted: Macca573, thamrick, worcej

Much time left.

[Jamiet99uk]

Unvote (4) Bonatogether BobMcBob rdrivera2005 damo666
BunnyGo (3) celaph Maniac Foxcastle

yea this days going great

BunnyGo had just flipped and those people had not yet moved their votes.

Again, WTF is going on with Brainbomb's sudden horrible attitude after Bunny's flip?

[Vecna]

darg, any word on the outstanding gm questions? or do you need to discuss that stuff with ND?

[Jamiet99uk]

ND gm call confirms that bona is actually cop, and kgray was not

I think most of us already trusted Bona's claim by now, but yes, this is correct. I would say that ND's GM clarification actually provided too much information and he could have covered his error a little more carefully. But there we are.

This could be scum!brainbomb angry that the GM's error and subsequent clarification has helped consolidate a townclear.

He sure seems angry about something that happened today.

[Jamiet99uk]

darg, any word on the outstanding gm questions? or do you need to discuss that stuff with ND?

Oh there are new questions? I am still about 3 pages back...

[Jamiet99uk]

I will just say I am not cumreading anyone

You had several scumreads last night, what happened to all of them? They can't all be invalidated by Bunny's flip.

More weirdness from Brainbomb.

[Vecna]

ND gm call confirms that bona is actually cop, and kgray was not

I think most of us already trusted Bona's claim by now, but yes, this is correct. I would say that ND's GM clarification actually provided too much information and he could have covered his error a little more carefully. But there we are.

This could be scum!brainbomb angry that the GM's error and subsequent clarification has helped consolidate a townclear.

He sure seems angry about something that happened today.

Yeah I was thinking the same thing but did not want to comment. It technically couldve still been a scum with a base pass I guess

[Jamiet99uk]

##End

Envoting on Thamrick, while apparently not scumreading him, and while Thamrick has not yet confirmed if he was jailed or what.

Scummy.

[Vecna]

darg, any word on the outstanding gm questions? or do you need to discuss that stuff with ND?

Oh there are new questions? I am still about 3 pages back...

Youre gonna like the content I think

[Jamiet99uk]

@bob - why shoot bunny when we were obv going to daykill him anyway?

##vote foxtail. Glad to see his wagon picking up

because then we dont waste a daykill on obv!scum and can vote other things
he was gonna die anyway, lets use the votes better
thats the best way to use vig shots as far as ive heard

I don’t know what you’ve heard, but it’s bad advice.

If you had are town with a gun and have two strong scum reads a 100% on bunny and 70% on someone else. Shoot the someone else and let Bunny be daykilled. That way two big scum reads die. Now you have to press for a daykill on you’re 70% scum read and scum can influence and block that kill.

Shooting confirmed scum is just bad play. But we are where we are. Who are your top scum reads?

I agree with these comments. See Bob, I told you you were being trigger happy.

This is all pure "how to play Mafia 101" stuff mind you so doesn't make me suddenly townread Maniac.

[Vecna]

Im guessing a lot of stuff happened behind the scenes that some of us are not privvy to.

So many people are sounding pissed off this game (granted, I had my own moment after we killed lfischl).

Brain is sounding very annoyed at times over things that make no sense

Fox has been sounding pissed all game

Jasnah sounded way more pissed off all game

Rdrivera has been sounding very pissed were not sheeping him on Fox.


I guess maybe I shouldve put 2+2 together and connected the dots, also in combination with jasnah tellins us to sheep Rdrivera?

Maybe scum were forced to kill Jasnah because she still has that knowledge? Is it connected to Rdivera? Is it that fox was the obv-MP?

Im just drawing blanks here, but theres probably some explenations why everyone is so wound up lol.

[Jamiet99uk]

And Jasnah was scum reading Vecna last night, which I also could see doing a SxS theater with Bunny.

What? where did Jasnah scumread me? What nonsense is this?

Vecna is right here.

Jasnah made three posts during the night before dying. None of them mentioned Vecna at all.

[Jamiet99uk]

50% is surely a little high, no?

nah theres a 50% chance bona scans everyone as area 51 OF WHICH SCUM ABOUT HALF
in the other 50% thamrick is clear OF WHICH MIB 1/8

SO THAMRICK 5/16 SCUM 11/16 TOWN.

Or if you prefer 69% town 31% scum.

However this ignores the possibility that Thamrick was jailed. So maybe temper this to say 75% town 25% scum.

I believe Thamrick is the only jailee candidate but this could be a scum ploy to attempt to clear him.

For the moment we give him the benefit of the doubt I guess.

Did you not consider scum jailing scum!thamrick to give him a plausible excuse for not posting?

[Vecna]

because then we dont waste a daykill on obv!scum and can vote other things
he was gonna die anyway, lets use the votes better
thats the best way to use vig shots as far as ive heard

I don’t know what you’ve heard, but it’s bad advice.

If you had are town with a gun and have two strong scum reads a 100% on bunny and 70% on someone else. Shoot the someone else and let Bunny be daykilled. That way two big scum reads die. Now you have to press for a daykill on you’re 70% scum read and scum can influence and block that kill.

Shooting confirmed scum is just bad play. But we are where we are. Who are your top scum reads?

I agree with these comments. See Bob, I told you you were being trigger happy.

This is all pure "how to play Mafia 101" stuff mind you so doesn't make me suddenly townread Maniac.

Actually, the quick shot was brilliant jamiet

I think scum are also pissed off because Bunny did not get the opportunity to tell them what Jasnah's role was.

Pretty hilarious that the likely outcome of bob shooting so quickly is that theyre in the dark just as much as we are to her actual role.

I think scum are pissed off because they feel its sort of unfair that theyre in this position and that the game is slipping through their fingers outside of their control.

I think brainbomb was pissed off at me because I was complaining that the setup was anti-town, while theyre struggling to deal with all these copscans and base-passes (and EMC slipping knowledge he wasnt sposed to). That and a bunch of other things.

[ND]

##CALL GM

-If the deputy dies, will his death message/role pm reveal to us what his sanity was? Will we learn if he was paranoid/insane etc?

-Did your last answer mean that the alien can actually be targeted by investigative actions?

-What does the alien night immunity extend to exactly? This is rather important for the remainder of the game. His role pm states it applies to everything -except certain items-.

-What message does a PR or item-user receive if they targetted the alien with an action that the alien is immune to.

1. I wasn't planning on revealing the sanity in the flip but I will speak to Darg about it.
2. Alien is immune to being killed at night. It also will appear to be town aligned. The alien researcher however can detect alien DNA if the alien does not night kill. Apart from that it can be effected by items, roles, etc as anyone else can be.
3. They would simply receive a similar message that a commuting player -ritual- might receive, aka your target is untargetable.

[ND]

If I missed anything else pm me I am busy at work and have limited time atm

[Jamiet99uk]

##call GM

Does the alien's night immunity apply to investigatives? If the deputy were to visit the alien, what result would they get (assuming no other outside interference).

I can answer this. It does not. I checked this before attempting to scan Bunny N1, who I suspected of being Alien, and ND told me I would be able to get an "ALIEN DNA" result if it happened that Bunny was the Alien. So clearly the Alien is not investigator-immune.

[Jamiet99uk]

##call GM

Does the alien's night immunity apply to investigatives? If the deputy were to visit the alien, what result would they get (assuming no other outside interference).

I can answer this. It does not. I checked this before attempting to scan Bunny N1, who I suspected of being Alien, and ND told me I would be able to get an "ALIEN DNA" result if it happened that Bunny was the Alien. So clearly the Alien is not investigator-immune.

Ah I see I cross-posted with ND but he clarified this the same way as it was told to me.

(Thanks ND).

[Jamiet99uk]

I have to agree with Vecna here. Protecting your scum meta when you are town should get you DKed without regrets.

Its kinda funny you said this, and then did a 180 and got suspicious of Chaqa voters, Rdrivera.

Regardless, I want you to actually engage with me, and go back to that page and read the interaction between me and bunny (it mainly starts on the page after this quoted post).

Go reread it and tell me if you genuinely believe that can be scum theatre.

I believe in what I said there, if you play to protect your scum meta (being scummy on purpose instead of trying to be obvtown) you deserve a DK. But Chaqa came back after that exchange and posted in a way I didn't think scum Chaqa do and you even interacted with him and didn't change your vote, that's what made me scumread you after EOD1.

@Rdrivera: Why did you say that Jasnah declared a scumread on Vecna during the night? This was not true.