Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

[Maniac]

I know I've bounced around a bit on Jamie, but I have him as firm town now. I just don't see any urgency or protecting EOD1. Think it was T v T v T

If I'm right then ghug, damo, bona and vecna look good.

[BobMcBob]

We would be quite unlucky for it to be TvTvT. I propose we dk Jasnah tomorrow.

Why Jasnah over Jamie from your perspective? Also, is it really so unlikely to be TvTvT that we should dismiss the possibility all together?

We certainly shouldn't dismiss the possibility (and I didn't suggest as much). We have more (quasi) info on Jasnah now and she is not a sensible dk. I am still town reading Jamie atm so it may well have been TTT.

jasnah is a great dk if we think shes scum
which she looks a lot like
having a cellphone spokesperson is great and all but we really need to hit scum today

[celaph]

So, D1 was either:
a) a TvTvT waste. In this case it's maybe worth looking at wagons that didn't materialize (all the high schoolers, strangely, and Vecna, who acts like one), but mostly it just sucks.
b) a jasnah save. This one's my favorite, at least pre-writing. First votes on jas were Chaqa/damo/bona/Fox, which put her tied for first, with only a Fox vote on Vecna in between (Jamie was in the lead here, so this could point to a Jamie/Fox team). This put her into a tie with Chaqa and Jamie. lfischl put Chaqa back ahead, emc tied it. Celaph put her in the lead, bona moved to tie it as he does. Brain put Chaqa in the lead. Bona moved back to tie it. Bunny and celaph moved to Jamie (putting him back in the running) and Chaqa (putting him in the lead) respectively. I moved to jasnah to tie it. Then thamrick jumps on Chaqa, Riot jumps on Jamie, and bona moves to tie again, making it 7-7-5. I, emc, and damo then pile on Chaqa in that order. In this scenario, I think damo, Fox, emc, and I look good (I always look good), emc and bona could go either way, and lfischl, brain, Bunny, thamrick, and Riot look bad. The fact that that many people would look bad makes me think there was a save involving a couple of scum and a couple of unwitting town.
c) a Jamie save, here I look pretty bad because I broke the tie. All those early voters on jasnah look not great, especially Fox because he also briefly tried to make Vecna competitive. Fischy still looks bad, brain too, maybe celaph, thamrick. Riot looks good, Bunny looks good. Bona's still hard to read based on the VCA, but probably a little better because he ended up killing the jasnah wagon to force a tie between Chaqa and Jamie.
d) a double save. lfischl, brain, thamrick, maybe me look bad here. Fox, emc, damo, Bunny, HR all look pretty good. Probably Bona too, as he only voted Chaqa early in the day.

Why haven't you included me in the discussion of the Jasnah save? Surely I look worse there for switching off.

[brainbomb]

I haven't read since page 81, and I won't be online for the first half of D2. However:

##VOTE jamie
##END

##Vote Jamie

🪅🪅

[celaph]

is it worth mentioning that emc pretended the jasnah wagon didn't exist?

i dunno
who other than ghug?
is there anyone who you feel has particularly high opinions of kgray? unlike ghug?

Jamie, HR, Vecna, bona all have very high opinions of kgray

I'd like to be added to the list of people with a high opinion of kgray. Though I wouldn't have D1 shot her here.

[BobMcBob]

The night reveal post says "several" deaths although only 2 are listed.

There must be at least another death that is unreported.

no damo
just no
N-O
it meant more than one, not more than two

[celaph]

I'll do EON reads. I won't be analyzing these and most if not all requests for me to show my work will not be entertained. I don't like explaining myself and there's too much of import at this EON for us to start having the serious talks until after it goes through.

Confirmed town
Emc

I like these people
Maniac
Bob McBob
Celaph
lfischl
worcej

Grudgingly, I'll town lean this individual
Ghug

I don't like these people
Damo
Bona
Macca

Giving me a headache. Someone else sort these individuals out
Jamiet
HR
Vecna

If I didn't write your name, you're not yet important enough for me to concern myself with you.

Why did you call attention to that line? It seems like a very normal Jasnah line to me.

[brainbomb]

she ignored me !?!?

[celaph]

celaph. He is town. His first post was town. Every post since then has been town. Listen to him. Leave him alone. If you don't have confident reads, sheep him.

Why do you think people should sheep me? Are there any reads of mine that you think are particularly noteworthy so far and worth people following?

[celaph]

Vecna feels like he just desperately wants to die

Is that indicative of a town or scum Vecna mindset in your mind?

[damo666]

The night reveal post says "several" deaths although only 2 are listed.

There must be at least another death that is unreported.

no damo
just no
N-O
it meant more than one, not more than two

several would indicate more than two

[damo666]

I'll do EON reads. I won't be analyzing these and most if not all requests for me to show my work will not be entertained. I don't like explaining myself and there's too much of import at this EON for us to start having the serious talks until after it goes through.

Confirmed town
Emc

I like these people
Maniac
Bob McBob
Celaph
lfischl
worcej

Grudgingly, I'll town lean this individual
Ghug

I don't like these people
Damo
Bona
Macca

Giving me a headache. Someone else sort these individuals out
Jamiet
HR
Vecna

If I didn't write your name, you're not yet important enough for me to concern myself with you.

Why did you call attention to that line? It seems like a very normal Jasnah line to me.

read through it again

[celaph]

I should say that I wasn't jailed. Mafia already knows that so it's probably best to tell y'all that too.

[ghug]

So, D1 was either:
a) a TvTvT waste. In this case it's maybe worth looking at wagons that didn't materialize (all the high schoolers, strangely, and Vecna, who acts like one), but mostly it just sucks.
b) a jasnah save. This one's my favorite, at least pre-writing. First votes on jas were Chaqa/damo/bona/Fox, which put her tied for first, with only a Fox vote on Vecna in between (Jamie was in the lead here, so this could point to a Jamie/Fox team). This put her into a tie with Chaqa and Jamie. lfischl put Chaqa back ahead, emc tied it. Celaph put her in the lead, bona moved to tie it as he does. Brain put Chaqa in the lead. Bona moved back to tie it. Bunny and celaph moved to Jamie (putting him back in the running) and Chaqa (putting him in the lead) respectively. I moved to jasnah to tie it. Then thamrick jumps on Chaqa, Riot jumps on Jamie, and bona moves to tie again, making it 7-7-5. I, emc, and damo then pile on Chaqa in that order. In this scenario, I think damo, Fox, emc, and I look good (I always look good), emc and bona could go either way, and lfischl, brain, Bunny, thamrick, and Riot look bad. The fact that that many people would look bad makes me think there was a save involving a couple of scum and a couple of unwitting town.
c) a Jamie save, here I look pretty bad because I broke the tie. All those early voters on jasnah look not great, especially Fox because he also briefly tried to make Vecna competitive. Fischy still looks bad, brain too, maybe celaph, thamrick. Riot looks good, Bunny looks good. Bona's still hard to read based on the VCA, but probably a little better because he ended up killing the jasnah wagon to force a tie between Chaqa and Jamie.
d) a double save. lfischl, brain, thamrick, maybe me look bad here. Fox, emc, damo, Bunny, HR all look pretty good. Probably Bona too, as he only voted Chaqa early in the day.

We would be quite unlucky for it to be TvTvT. I propose we dk Jasnah tomorrow.

Why Jasnah over Jamie from your perspective? Also, is it really so unlikely to be TvTvT that we should dismiss the possibility all together?

Mainly because I townread one and scumread the other, though there is the secondary factor that there are more people who seem to make sense as jasnah savers.

I'm not dismissing TvTvT. I just can't do much wagon analysis in that case.

[Jamiet99uk]

I haven't read since page 81, and I won't be online for the first half of D2. However:

##VOTE jamie
##END

If you are not going to be able to catch up later, why the fuck are you endvoting?

This is directly anti-town, shitty fucking behaviour and I don't care if my reaction seems OMGUS, but ##VOTE MACCA

If you can't participate, fuck off and sub out.

[celaph]

We would be quite unlucky for it to be TvTvT. I propose we dk Jasnah tomorrow.

Why Jasnah over Jamie from your perspective? Also, is it really so unlikely to be TvTvT that we should dismiss the possibility all together?

Mainly because I townread one and scumread the other, though there is the secondary factor that there are more people who seem to make sense as jasnah savers.

I'm not dismissing TvTvT. I just can't do much wagon analysis in that case.

Thanks Damo.

[brainbomb]

I purport that lfischl has deliberately chosen an easily mis-spelled username to gain a slight advantage in Mafia by avoiding votes.

(Not really).

Why are you vociferously complaining about other people shitposting and yet then returning to make posts like this one?

Hilarious

[Jamiet99uk]

I haven't read since page 81, and I won't be online for the first half of D2. However:

##VOTE jamie
##END

If you are not going to be able to catch up later, why the fuck are you endvoting?

This is directly anti-town, shitty fucking behaviour and I don't care if my reaction seems OMGUS, but ##VOTE MACCA

If you can't participate, sub out.

Ahem. That was 10% over the top, excuse me.

But Macca this is directly anti-town behaviour and it's not really acceptable.

[celaph]

@ celaph Where were you all N1? Just zero post and then show up start of D2 and talk talk talk?

I really hope someone has got investigation results. If I had a base pass I'd have used that shit, the longer you hold on to it the more likely it gets stolen.

I spent a lot of time procrastinating on homework by watching youtube if you most know.

[damo666]

I haven't read since page 81, and I won't be online for the first half of D2. However:

##VOTE jamie
##END

If you are not going to be able to catch up later, why the fuck are you endvoting?

This is directly anti-town, shitty fucking behaviour and I don't care if my reaction seems OMGUS, but ##VOTE MACCA

If you can't participate, fuck off and sub out.

Town Jamie