Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

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if anyone tries to claim im lurking I will put a shovel up their ass

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this is very poor form
ill get to your lfischl question later because it requires searching which i dont feel like right now
how about you start making actual contributions instead of pretending to be helpful
and also give me your actual scumreads list instead of deflecting back to me all the time

what posts have been unactual contributions

uh all of them
i skimmed his iso just now and there was nothing
surface level grammar nazism
surface level mechanics
one liners
more one liners
so many one liners
saying hi multiple times
there was nothing remotely substantial

how is this different than ghug, bunny, or HR

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http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?word=celaph&g=65

Studying celaph, more mentions than usual

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Thamrick was last online 25 hours ago.

@HR, lfischl, Celaph, Bona, BobMcBob: You are currently all in a classic full-press Diplomacy game which Kgray is also playing in. Has Kgray exchanged press with any of you within the last 12 hours or so?

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No way HR or Bona would save me, not a fucking chance, both of those would decide it was more fun to bus me 10 times out of 10 and be laughing all the way to my early grave right now. I don't have the faintest idea how thamrick plays and I doubt even an enthusiastic scum would be able to fabricate evidence linking us as a team

Did you miss the part of last game where I quite literally sacrificed my entire game to try and save a teammate? What makes you think I would instead be hardbussing you?

Celaph seems to me a likeable person, which would be the obvious difference between me and them

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So, D1 was either:
a) a TvTvT waste. In this case it's maybe worth looking at wagons that didn't materialize (all the high schoolers, strangely, and Vecna, who acts like one), but mostly it just sucks.
b) a jasnah save. This one's my favorite, at least pre-writing. First votes on jas were Chaqa/damo/bona/Fox, which put her tied for first, with only a Fox vote on Vecna in between (Jamie was in the lead here, so this could point to a Jamie/Fox team). This put her into a tie with Chaqa and Jamie. lfischl put Chaqa back ahead, emc tied it. Celaph put her in the lead, bona moved to tie it as he does. Brain put Chaqa in the lead. Bona moved back to tie it. Bunny and celaph moved to Jamie (putting him back in the running) and Chaqa (putting him in the lead) respectively. I moved to jasnah to tie it. Then thamrick jumps on Chaqa, Riot jumps on Jamie, and bona moves to tie again, making it 7-7-5. I, emc, and damo then pile on Chaqa in that order. In this scenario, I think damo, Fox, emc, and I look good (I always look good), emc and bona could go either way, and lfischl, brain, Bunny, thamrick, and Riot look bad. The fact that that many people would look bad makes me think there was a save involving a couple of scum and a couple of unwitting town.
c) a Jamie save, here I look pretty bad because I broke the tie. All those early voters on jasnah look not great, especially Fox because he also briefly tried to make Vecna competitive. Fischy still looks bad, brain too, maybe celaph, thamrick. Riot looks good, Bunny looks good. Bona's still hard to read based on the VCA, but probably a little better because he ended up killing the jasnah wagon to force a tie between Chaqa and Jamie.
d) a double save. lfischl, brain, thamrick, maybe me look bad here. Fox, emc, damo, Bunny, HR all look pretty good. Probably Bona too, as he only voted Chaqa early in the day.

ghug gives celaph a bigtime pass here

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@
celaph
Hellenic Riot
kgray
rdrivera2005
thamrick

Those of you who have not been disintegrated by otherworldly technology, are you planning to vote? Will you be on at EoD?

Has Jamie forgotten that HR just plays this way every day 1?

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why did you say @bona? i'm confused

Why did you say "@celaph" with no other context, in reply to a post that didn't say anything about celaph, or you?

Because celaph just said that people acting scummy get scumread, and you, just after, had a post saying "they're so scummy i'm townreading them", and so I was drawing celaph's attention to that post

mysterious to be steering celaph

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Current votes as of writing this:
Chaqa (5) Jamiet99uk jasnah Vecna ghug lfischl
jasnah (5) Chaqa damo666 Bonatogether Foxcastle e.m.c^42
Jamiet99uk (4) Macca573 BobMcBob Maniac worcej
Vecna (1) BunnyGo
rdrivera2005 (1) brainbomb

Current non-votes as of writing this:
celaph
Hellenic Riot
kgray
rdrivera2005
thamrick

My shitty analysis of the wagons:

1. Chaqa's wagon is based in large part on the whole 'flip me tomorrow' idea and has garnered some attention based on punishing him. I do believe he is being honest with his opinion on sucking early game (most people do) and his value being better later in the game. For now, I town!lean him simply because I don't think he's this ballsy as scum - his normal scum game (to me) is to appear so obv!town and this isn't that.
2. jasnah's personality is so awesome and I hope she plays here forever more. The scum slip catch by bona is incredibly weak, however Fox beat me to it already with the fact the response from her was scummy. In general, a null lean from me.
3. Jamie's wagon is at least one joke vote from me, but I do find something of interest: normally Jamie pounces on these dumb scumslips and uses all sorts of fonts and colors to make everyone aware of it, but this time all he did was go ""OOoooooooh" and then focus back on my vote. I don't like the lack of freak out and blatant yelling about the slip.
4. Bunny and brain have shit votes, especially the OMGUS from Bunny. The end.

[Foxcastle]

my advice is to have a shaman commune with kgray and find out if shes the alien. if she is she wont really care about confessing. if by some miracle shes scum I really doubt she will say. but shaman should learn her item and her role and see if anyone tries to claim it.

I like this plan. Very good plan.

Who else thinks this is a good plan?

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I dont think ive seen anything about celaph that looks unusal

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Jasnah Research
http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?word=jasnah&g=65

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I don't have the time to read 22 pages now, but I saw that we were endvoting, this is a good idea I would love to go hang out in QT with my buddies.

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Townslip here from jasnah?

[BobMcBob]

what posts have been unactual contributions

uh all of them
i skimmed his iso just now and there was nothing
surface level grammar nazism
surface level mechanics
one liners
more one liners
so many one liners
saying hi multiple times
there was nothing remotely substantial

how is this different than ghug, bunny, or HR

the obvious question here is
why are you defending bonas right to not make contributions to the game just because other people arent doing much?
there is still reason enough to pressure him for input even if other people arent especially when he was asking so many questions
and also ghug and bunny both gave off more substantive vibes at least on recall if nothing else

[Foxcastle]

So, D1 was either:
a) a TvTvT waste. In this case it's maybe worth looking at wagons that didn't materialize (all the high schoolers, strangely, and Vecna, who acts like one), but mostly it just sucks.
b) a jasnah save. This one's my favorite, at least pre-writing. First votes on jas were Chaqa/damo/bona/Fox, which put her tied for first, with only a Fox vote on Vecna in between (Jamie was in the lead here, so this could point to a Jamie/Fox team). This put her into a tie with Chaqa and Jamie. lfischl put Chaqa back ahead, emc tied it. Celaph put her in the lead, bona moved to tie it as he does. Brain put Chaqa in the lead. Bona moved back to tie it. Bunny and celaph moved to Jamie (putting him back in the running) and Chaqa (putting him in the lead) respectively. I moved to jasnah to tie it. Then thamrick jumps on Chaqa, Riot jumps on Jamie, and bona moves to tie again, making it 7-7-5. I, emc, and damo then pile on Chaqa in that order. In this scenario, I think damo, Fox, emc, and I look good (I always look good), emc and bona could go either way, and lfischl, brain, Bunny, thamrick, and Riot look bad. The fact that that many people would look bad makes me think there was a save involving a couple of scum and a couple of unwitting town.
c) a Jamie save, here I look pretty bad because I broke the tie. All those early voters on jasnah look not great, especially Fox because he also briefly tried to make Vecna competitive. Fischy still looks bad, brain too, maybe celaph, thamrick. Riot looks good, Bunny looks good. Bona's still hard to read based on the VCA, but probably a little better because he ended up killing the jasnah wagon to force a tie between Chaqa and Jamie.
d) a double save. lfischl, brain, thamrick, maybe me look bad here. Fox, emc, damo, Bunny, HR all look pretty good. Probably Bona too, as he only voted Chaqa early in the day.

We would be quite unlucky for it to be TvTvT. I propose we dk Jasnah tomorrow.

Why would TvTvT be unlucky? It happens all the time on here on D1. I think it's an error in thinking that there was meaning to the outcome of the Day when so often scum are sitting back and letting town trip over itself (which is just going to be the way Day 1 usually goes, so that's not a criticism of town).

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I don't have the time to read 22 pages now, but I saw that we were endvoting, this is a good idea I would love to go hang out in QT with my buddies.

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Townslip here from jasnah?

Easily faked

DISMISSAL OF TOWN STATUS

[Bonatogether]

this is very poor form
ill get to your lfischl question later because it requires searching which i dont feel like right now
how about you start making actual contributions instead of pretending to be helpful
and also give me your actual scumreads list instead of deflecting back to me all the time

Yes, it would appear so.



I am

jasnah, maniac, vecna, damo, worcej

k now give me reasons pls

jasnah for her attempts at towniness
maniac for being so unnoticeable
vecna for a lot of little things (like saying the alien role is really strong, but next post saying he hadn't read the setup, and then *next* post giving detailed info about infections and them spreading)
damo for not doing or attempting to do anything
worcej for various interactions that could concievably be svs with jasnah

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Dislike your non-answer here.

Ok. I'm still right.

idk bona's towngame but this is suspiciously similar to what ive seen of his scumgame

Not especially. As scum I usually had a reason to back up whatever off-the-wall thing I came up with (even if it was wrong). As town I base more things off intuition.

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jasnah is beyond endearing, so nothing but <3

Vecna i dno, but he's always the best even if he's scum, so it doesnt really matter

It doesnt matter if Vecna is scum because hes just that good?
wtf?

[Foxcastle]

@Foxcastle - I note you were around EOD1. Why didn't you vote for one of the lead wagons?

Because D1 is more valuable when people are spread out across multiple wagons rather than converging on two and I wanted to keep the Jasnah wagon as an option for people to move onto if there were last minute shifts. I didn't think Chaqa was scum, and I had thought Jamiet could be scum, but that EOD made me think that was unlikely.