Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

[Jamiet99uk]

my advice is to have a shaman commune with kgray and find out if shes the alien. if she is she wont really care about confessing. if by some miracle shes scum I really doubt she will say. but shaman should learn her item and her role and see if anyone tries to claim it.

If Kgray doesn't reappear and turns out to be dead, that's actually worthy of consideration, yeah.

[Bonatogether]

How can you not answer, and be right?

My initial assertion is correct even if I don't have a reason for it right now.

What?

Just, what?

What kind of a mind does such a logic-free sentence emerge from?

http://gph.is/2p5W59N

[brainbomb]

I wouldn't really describe your play last game as pocketing anyone. You played a good pro-town style that got you townread for your competence. It wasn't really targeted at kgray in the same way mine was.

The style you played last game was better for town I feel than your current approach. Rather surprised to see you mix it up.

Wasn't Bob scum last game? I'm confused.

He was. I guess I more associate pocketing with playing in a particular way to get the town read of one or two people. I would describe Bob's play last game as just good and not pocketing.

The point is insignificant overall. If you're confused by it feel free to ignore it.

I dont think we should ignore things we dont understand? how would we ever come to understand them?

[brainbomb]

bona is so much more carefree and less derpy this game. I feel like everytime he was accused last game he got this weird deer in headlights persona

[Jamiet99uk]

Jamie, do you have any concerns about your wagon? last game two scum pushed you

I am always concerned about being a wagon when I am town. All four votes currently on me are stupid. Only Maniac even attempted to give a sensible reason. Worcej said his vote was just a joke, Macca is voting me because of colours, and Bob doesn't like me. There could totally be scum in there.

Watch Worcej just disappear at EoD and "forget" to come and move his vote off me...

[rdrivera2005]

thamrick shot would come from town or 3p. a kgray shot would only come from scum or vecna

If town had a gun and hipfired it D1 without saying anything, I'm going to be rather annoyed.

No way a town would have hipfired Kgray on D1.

[Jamiet99uk]

Hellenic Riot has been more like Hellenic Nobody today so far. No rioting in evidence at all.

[BunnyGo]

my advice is to have a shaman commune with kgray and find out if shes the alien. if she is she wont really care about confessing. if by some miracle shes scum I really doubt she will say. but shaman should learn her item and her role and see if anyone tries to claim it.

This is a horrible suggestion

[Jamiet99uk]

my advice is to have a shaman commune with kgray and find out if shes the alien. if she is she wont really care about confessing. if by some miracle shes scum I really doubt she will say. but shaman should learn her item and her role and see if anyone tries to claim it.

This is a horrible suggestion

Why? It would be very useful to town to know if the Alien is out of circulation.

[ghug]

Thamrick was last online 25 hours ago.

@HR, lfischl, Celaph, Bona, BobMcBob: You are currently all in a classic full-press Diplomacy game which Kgray is also playing in. Has Kgray exchanged press with any of you within the last 12 hours or so?

this seems like an unfair attempt to circumvent the game. OGI.

but If its not illegal one wonders why kgray has also gone invis. ive not seen her browsing forum at all today

She's always been invisible.

I've heard from her since she last posted in the mafia thread, and I can't not factor that information into my own analysis, so I might as well share it.

[rdrivera2005]

I wouldn't really describe your play last game as pocketing anyone. You played a good pro-town style that got you townread for your competence. It wasn't really targeted at kgray in the same way mine was.

The style you played last game was better for town I feel than your current approach. Rather surprised to see you mix it up.

Wasn't Bob scum last game? I'm confused.

He was. I guess I more associate pocketing with playing in a particular way to get the town read of one or two people. I would describe Bob's play last game as just good and not pocketing.

The point is insignificant overall. If you're confused by it feel free to ignore it.

I am confused because you said his play last game was pro-town and I don't get how a scum play could be pro-town (unless you scumslip all your team members).

[celaph]

Ok. I'm still right.

Well, I don't think that your conclusion is correct and your logic to reach the conclusion certainly can't be correct because there isn't any.

You seem to think that the scum team will follow each other around always voting with each other. That strikes me as a terrible strategy because once one of them is caught they all look much worse.

No, they look marginally better since no scumteam would ever group like that

Ahhhhh, yes. Let me make myself look more suspicious to get people to townread me. Classic. Always works. Can't possibly think of a reason that it would go poorly.

[BunnyGo]

my advice is to have a shaman commune with kgray and find out if shes the alien. if she is she wont really care about confessing. if by some miracle shes scum I really doubt she will say. but shaman should learn her item and her role and see if anyone tries to claim it.

If Kgray doesn't reappear and turns out to be dead, that's actually worthy of consideration, yeah.

You’re suggesting you like the idea to waste a 1time use to find information from a dead person who can tell us nothing except their role and item? And that’s IF they choose not to lie? Oh. Could she choose to lie if scum?

[ghug]

Frankly I don't really care how much Jamie does or doesn't get riled up. I think that if you're DK'ing based on how angry someone is able to pretend to be over text you're setting yourself up for arbitrary wagoning not to mention a pretty toxic metagame as a result of an incentive structure that rewards over-the-top rage.

At least Jamie has been talking at all, which is more than can be said for Chaqa. I'm aware that time zones exist, so maybe he will come back later and say more and maybe we'll have good reasons to unwagon him again, that's perfectly fine, and if that happens we have ample time to switch to another sensible wagon before EOD.

This jasnah feels way more substantive than last game.

Is that a good thing in your books? Because overall I think more substantive version of last game is more pro-town, but I get the feeling that you think otherwise.

I'm torn, because it is pro town on the surface, but scum also has more of a motivation to not look bad, and I think she knows that.

[Bonatogether]

Well, I don't think that your conclusion is correct and your logic to reach the conclusion certainly can't be correct because there isn't any.

You seem to think that the scum team will follow each other around always voting with each other. That strikes me as a terrible strategy because once one of them is caught they all look much worse.

No, they look marginally better since no scumteam would ever group like that

Ahhhhh, yes. Let me make myself look more suspicious to get people to townread me. Classic. Always works. Can't possibly think of a reason that it would go poorly.

I always look scummy and I've only not made it to the endgame once, so it does work

[brainbomb]

Hellenic Riot has been more like Hellenic Nobody today so far. No rioting in evidence at all.

True. I dont think we would swing a HR wagon day 1 but pressure could be helpful here?

[celaph]

Wasn't Bob scum last game? I'm confused.

He was. I guess I more associate pocketing with playing in a particular way to get the town read of one or two people. I would describe Bob's play last game as just good and not pocketing.

The point is insignificant overall. If you're confused by it feel free to ignore it.

I dont think we should ignore things we dont understand? how would we ever come to understand them?

In general it's terrible advice. I suggested it in this case because my point is rather tangential to the game we're playing and I'd rather it not become a major talking point.

[ghug]

I purport that lfischl has deliberately chosen an easily mis-spelled username to gain a slight advantage in Mafia by avoiding votes.

(Not really).

Why are you vociferously complaining about other people shitposting and yet then returning to make posts like this one?

HR's posting style reminds me of town HR.

@HR, who do you scumread?

How do town and scum HR differ?

[jasnah]

Clue me in then. Why does jasnah’s wagon exist?

I unironically think it's at least 20% because I wrote earlier that I hate communism.

Of the people on my wagon, I think that celaph is the least likely to be scum, and emc is the most likely to be scum, maybe followed by Chaqa and Bona, I really don't like damo and Foxcastle just from interacting with them but I'm not interested in trying to DK either at the time.

I think it'll be hard to DK Chaqa today and for that reason alone I'm better off finding an alternate wagon that the ADHD'ed monkeys with shiny object syndrome will take up with five minutes to EOD

I really like that Jasnah analyzed the people on her wagon like this.

Jas, do you agree with ghug's earlier assessment that you've been more substantive today than last game? If so, has that been a conscious effort on your part? If not, why do you think it reads like you are?

Yes

No

Because I've died in several Diplomacy games and play less gunboat now overall, giving me more time to waste on mafia, so writing more. Not rocket science..

[BunnyGo]

my advice is to have a shaman commune with kgray and find out if shes the alien. if she is she wont really care about confessing. if by some miracle shes scum I really doubt she will say. but shaman should learn her item and her role and see if anyone tries to claim it.

This is a horrible suggestion

Why? It would be very useful to town to know if the Alien is out of circulation.

Do you think we won’t find out soon? Your focus on wasting a strong PR on a wild goose hunt is scummy. You were overly concerned with alien when you opened the day too. I don’t understand it.