Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

[celaph]

Lets kill this please

##vote Chaqa

This just feels like it lacks the critical thought that I normally associate with Vecna. Of all the people with poor reasons to vote Jamie, why is this the one that you want to push? I can't help but feel that Chaqa was chosen because he's easy to push. He's rather feared after M62 and few will actively come out of the woodwork to push back despite a poor day like they will do with others.

Go and read back the games where Chaqa has been trying and is actively playing in a pro-town manner.

If he wants to try and tank his town-game to just be able to lurk out his scumgames I will gladly kill him D1 every single game.

Also, what critical thought are you looking for? He is actively making it so that no critical thought can be applied.

To the last question: why do you think he's scum over just bad town? I don't know Chaqa that well, but it's not inconceivable to me that he does something like this as town.

[brainbomb]

I got a message from kgray in the dip game about 15 minutes ago.

oh thats good so shes just hiding

[celaph]

analytically
a few long posts
everything capitalised correctly with punctuation
maybe make a spreadsheet as well
actually they may have been scum in that game i cant remember

According to the bot you've played one game as town when they were scum and one game as scum when they were town.

was the scum one m50?
i think thats where i remember them from

In M54 you were goon and he was watcher. In M53 you were VT and he was mafia. Fox didn't play in M50.

[celaph]

The wagon is not fake, as clearly evidenced by all the votes on it. The wagon exists.

How strong are the arguments on support of the wagon? Well, that is a different question. One which seems to have different responses from different players.

I like it, and I'm liking it more and more as Jamie keeps talking.

Why?

I don't like the manner in which you're defending yourself.

I could be wrong; I've been wrong plenty of times before.

It would be rather bold for scum to hedge this blatantly.

[celaph]

So to summarise my wagon:

Bob doesn't like me.
Ghug's vote was a comedy vote.
Chaqa's vote was a comedy vote.
Macca sees colours.
Maniac wants me to be angry.

These are not real arguments.
These are not genuine cases.
The wagon on me is fake.

The wagon is not fake, as clearly evidenced by all the votes on it. The wagon exists.

How strong are the arguments on support of the wagon? Well, that is a different question. One which seems to have different responses from different players.

I like it, and I'm liking it more and more as Jamie keeps talking.

I agree with all this except the last line. That said, I think Macca is leaning town in my books.

[Bonatogether]

Disappointed by the lack of post from Bona commenting on how I've been online for however many minutes and still haven't said anything. Anyways, time to respond to things.

I was thinking about saying hi but I've already said hi to you 2 times this phase

[e.m.c^42]

I got a message from kgray in the dip game about 15 minutes ago.

Rip kgray.

[celaph]

This isn't at all what I'm doing. I have a VERY useful item and I'm gonna use it tonight, and I need you guys to flip me to trust what I tell you. That's all.

IDK why ya'll think i'm doing some big meta play. I legit haven't even read the entire setup yet.

##vote Chaqa

congrats, it was gonna be hard for me to want to flip anyone more than Bunny, but you just pulled it off.

Vecna is scum scared of what I'm going to do tonight. If he was really town he would at least let me institute my plan tonight THEN kill me.

##Vote Vecna

This is a pretty poor read in my opinion. I have a high enough opinion of Vecna to think that he wouldn't get scared by someone just claiming to have a strong item in this set-up.

Also, why would you make this play before reading the whole set-up? Though in all fairness that question applies arguably more so if you're scum so I guess stupid townpoints for Chaqa.

[celaph]

Frankly I don't really care how much Jamie does or doesn't get riled up. I think that if you're DK'ing based on how angry someone is able to pretend to be over text you're setting yourself up for arbitrary wagoning not to mention a pretty toxic metagame as a result of an incentive structure that rewards over-the-top rage.

At least Jamie has been talking at all, which is more than can be said for Chaqa. I'm aware that time zones exist, so maybe he will come back later and say more and maybe we'll have good reasons to unwagon him again, that's perfectly fine, and if that happens we have ample time to switch to another sensible wagon before EOD.

This jasnah feels way more substantive than last game.

Is that a good thing in your books? Because overall I think more substantive version of last game is more pro-town, but I get the feeling that you think otherwise.

[Jamiet99uk]

I got a message from kgray in the dip game about 15 minutes ago.

I hope she has not been turned into powder.

[Jamiet99uk]

I got a message from kgray in the dip game about 15 minutes ago.

oh thats good so shes just hiding

Or vapourized.

[celaph]

Who have I tried to defend here?

What topic of discussion have I tried to stop?

You didn't defend Durga last game, you just steered the conversation. It was masterful. The same way you haven't defended ANYONE. But you've steered the conversation. It's well done. And now you OMGUS me? After saying I'm scummy and then not saying I'm scummy and then I'm scummy again? It's like you're looking for something to stick and get your feet under you.

I literally came out and told people not to kill Durga D1. Repeatedly. I engaged people on saying it was a bad idea. People asked me why I said it and I gave reasons, citing her general competence meant she was a bad D1 kill.

I have not steered any conversation here. Im acknowledging people's concerns about Jamiet but im not engaging it because im lacking a strong opinion myself.

Youre doing a complete 180 on both situations to try and fit your agenda.

In fairness to Bunny, the way you pushed against the Durga wagon gives you substantial cover when she flips scum because you're claiming that your push actively ignores her current actions.

[worcej]

Can we not touch the Who is Online feature

No. I actually called for that feature to be removed after it was brought to my attention, as you're probably aware. However, I got no support from this community, and my request was treated very dismissively by the site Admins without a second thought. So there we go.

"I thought this was a problematic function and was concerned about its effect on games, but since it's still here, I'm just going to lean into it regardless of how much I might look like a hypocrite."

+1000 to Foxcastle.

[celaph]

explain the bizarre comment about being unable to pocket kgray

i pocketed her last game by being reasonable
this game i am not being reasonable
i cannot pocket her in that way this game, which seems to be the easiest way
full disclaimer, i wasnt just pocketing in that game, i did agree with her on most things

I wouldn't really describe your play last game as pocketing anyone. You played a good pro-town style that got you townread for your competence. It wasn't really targeted at kgray in the same way mine was.

The style you played last game was better for town I feel than your current approach. Rather surprised to see you mix it up.

[celaph]

I'm going to claim that there's at most 1 scum in my voters from earlier, since they all went to different wagons and haven't joined back up.

From the mini-game:

No

I wasn't asking you but why?

Scum don't group that brazenly

If scum don't group much then why would you expect them to stick together after they voted for you?

[celaph]

I purport that lfischl has deliberately chosen an easily mis-spelled username to gain a slight advantage in Mafia by avoiding votes.

(Not really).

really? ##vote vecna

Is your vote in anyway connected to the post you replied to?

[celaph]

Why is Chaqa in the lead?

Because Jamie isn't scum

Why are you so confident about this?

[BunnyGo]

Catching up. Is there much new? I had a miserable day at work (unlike Jamie) I had to ask the actuarial standards board for a ruling on whether something was sufficiently against client fiduciary interests as to require me to resign. As near as I can tell:

The chaqa wagon is for him doing a dumb chaqa thing.
The jasnah wagon is because she misused a pronoun.
The Jamie wagon is because he was insufficiently angry.

[celaph]

Vecna is scum scared of what I'm going to do tonight. If he was really town he would at least let me institute my plan tonight THEN kill me.

##Vote Vecna

##VOTE Chaqa

##vote Chaqa

Did ghug's vote influence your vote for Chaqa or do you have your own reasons that you want to explain?

[celaph]

I purport that lfischl has deliberately chosen an easily mis-spelled username to gain a slight advantage in Mafia by avoiding votes.

(Not really).

Why are you vociferously complaining about other people shitposting and yet then returning to make posts like this one?

HR's posting style reminds me of town HR.

@HR, who do you scumread?