Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

[e.m.c^42]

Asides from Vecna answering before I did, can't be only one seeing identical conversation here, right?

[Foxcastle]

Dammit, EMC, when you make sense like this it leaves me so little room to berate and harangue you.

[BunnyGo]

Asides from Vecna answering before I did, can't be only one seeing identical conversation here, right?

Yup, looks pretty similar.

[e.m.c^42]

For what its worth, I still think you are plausibly non-town allignment here. Youre not giving off your usual townvibes to me. You do a good job with the usual townmeta in how you approach Jamiet, but it doesnt have completely the same feel as when youre usually overthinking the way of how to describe your read.

This exercise serves a nice double purpose.

Kinda true, but if I went overboard here Jamie woulda reported me for sexual harassment. You want me to look at Bungo ISO you linked?

[Jamiet99uk]

Why do I sort of scumread Jamie, list that consists of one reason:

He's meaner in snark when scum compared to town. When he's town he'll be all "you witless fuck, shove it up your ass" and you're like "hell yes, harder Jamie"
- but when he's scum the response it generates is more of "the fuck, was this a line?"

People in the mini-game said that Jamie has been working to tone down that aspect of his town play. Would that change how you're reading him here?

Lol no. His general aggression levels have nothing to do with game state and everything to do with his current sobriety levels.

We're in lockdown. All the pubs in the UK are closed. I rarely drink alone. I've been drunk once since Christmas.

[ghug]

Current thoughts:

I don't mind the jamie wagon. While Jamie's snarky summary of the wagon makes it seem bad, Maniac and others have interesting reasons.

I don't like the Chaqa wagon. I think Vecna's reasons are bad. I think the members of the wagon are sketchy. I think the timing and manner of its formulation is sketchy.

I like the Bona wagon (obv, I'm on it). I still think Bona had a lot of posts that were "too sketchy to be sketchy" by just spewing statements and then contradicting them about 10 minutes later for no reason. His high school chummy drama seemed like a way to post a lot without doing anything.

I am worried that when lfischl took early pressure (I didn't understand why, but I didn't understand why Durga got a lot of pressure in the mini game) that Vecna jumped in to change the topic. Vecna did the same for some other wagons. I'm not sure who he's saving like he did Durga, but it seems very similar to last game. His posts seem forced like they did last game too, as the GM I thought on D1 "oh man, when Durga flips it'll be obvious how Vecna was defending her". Gonna ##vote Vecna

Wasn't Vecna also a source of the lfischl pressure?

[ghug]

Frankly I don't really care how much Jamie does or doesn't get riled up. I think that if you're DK'ing based on how angry someone is able to pretend to be over text you're setting yourself up for arbitrary wagoning not to mention a pretty toxic metagame as a result of an incentive structure that rewards over-the-top rage.

At least Jamie has been talking at all, which is more than can be said for Chaqa. I'm aware that time zones exist, so maybe he will come back later and say more and maybe we'll have good reasons to unwagon him again, that's perfectly fine, and if that happens we have ample time to switch to another sensible wagon before EOD.

This jasnah feels way more substantive than last game.

[BunnyGo]

Current thoughts:

I don't mind the jamie wagon. While Jamie's snarky summary of the wagon makes it seem bad, Maniac and others have interesting reasons.

I don't like the Chaqa wagon. I think Vecna's reasons are bad. I think the members of the wagon are sketchy. I think the timing and manner of its formulation is sketchy.

I like the Bona wagon (obv, I'm on it). I still think Bona had a lot of posts that were "too sketchy to be sketchy" by just spewing statements and then contradicting them about 10 minutes later for no reason. His high school chummy drama seemed like a way to post a lot without doing anything.

I am worried that when lfischl took early pressure (I didn't understand why, but I didn't understand why Durga got a lot of pressure in the mini game) that Vecna jumped in to change the topic. Vecna did the same for some other wagons. I'm not sure who he's saving like he did Durga, but it seems very similar to last game. His posts seem forced like they did last game too, as the GM I thought on D1 "oh man, when Durga flips it'll be obvious how Vecna was defending her". Gonna ##vote Vecna

Wasn't Vecna also a source of the lfischl pressure?

In this game? Vecna never voted lfischl.

[ghug]

I really hate communism, but I hate mob mentality and wilful miscarriage of justice even more. It's exhausting sometimes the number of things to which I have to devote hatred

Never mind, don't like jasnah.

[BunnyGo]

Current thoughts:

I don't mind the jamie wagon. While Jamie's snarky summary of the wagon makes it seem bad, Maniac and others have interesting reasons.

I don't like the Chaqa wagon. I think Vecna's reasons are bad. I think the members of the wagon are sketchy. I think the timing and manner of its formulation is sketchy.

I like the Bona wagon (obv, I'm on it). I still think Bona had a lot of posts that were "too sketchy to be sketchy" by just spewing statements and then contradicting them about 10 minutes later for no reason. His high school chummy drama seemed like a way to post a lot without doing anything.

I am worried that when lfischl took early pressure (I didn't understand why, but I didn't understand why Durga got a lot of pressure in the mini game) that Vecna jumped in to change the topic. Vecna did the same for some other wagons. I'm not sure who he's saving like he did Durga, but it seems very similar to last game. His posts seem forced like they did last game too, as the GM I thought on D1 "oh man, when Durga flips it'll be obvious how Vecna was defending her". Gonna ##vote Vecna

Wasn't Vecna also a source of the lfischl pressure?

In this game? Vecna never voted lfischl.

Oh, I see. Yes, he was. And then evaporated it. Go compare to his play with Durga last game. I may just be seeing things that are similar, but it prodded me. I'll read more later.

[ghug]

Don't like the Chaqa or Jamie wagons and indifferent to Bona.

I find kgray's lack of participation suspicious.

##vote kgray

And before I am accused of hypocrisy I am often a low poster day 1.

I don't really like this post. Scum Kgray sometimes talk even more then town Kgray.

Kgray talks enough in general that it's safer to assume there are out of game reasons for her low participation.

[Vecna]

Current thoughts:

I don't mind the jamie wagon. While Jamie's snarky summary of the wagon makes it seem bad, Maniac and others have interesting reasons.

I don't like the Chaqa wagon. I think Vecna's reasons are bad. I think the members of the wagon are sketchy. I think the timing and manner of its formulation is sketchy.

I like the Bona wagon (obv, I'm on it). I still think Bona had a lot of posts that were "too sketchy to be sketchy" by just spewing statements and then contradicting them about 10 minutes later for no reason. His high school chummy drama seemed like a way to post a lot without doing anything.

I am worried that when lfischl took early pressure (I didn't understand why, but I didn't understand why Durga got a lot of pressure in the mini game) that Vecna jumped in to change the topic. Vecna did the same for some other wagons. I'm not sure who he's saving like he did Durga, but it seems very similar to last game. His posts seem forced like they did last game too, as the GM I thought on D1 "oh man, when Durga flips it'll be obvious how Vecna was defending her". Gonna ##vote Vecna

Wasn't Vecna also a source of the lfischl pressure?

In this game? I was the #1 pusher of him being so different from last game.

[Vecna]

Current thoughts:

I don't mind the jamie wagon. While Jamie's snarky summary of the wagon makes it seem bad, Maniac and others have interesting reasons.

I don't like the Chaqa wagon. I think Vecna's reasons are bad. I think the members of the wagon are sketchy. I think the timing and manner of its formulation is sketchy.

I like the Bona wagon (obv, I'm on it). I still think Bona had a lot of posts that were "too sketchy to be sketchy" by just spewing statements and then contradicting them about 10 minutes later for no reason. His high school chummy drama seemed like a way to post a lot without doing anything.

I am worried that when lfischl took early pressure (I didn't understand why, but I didn't understand why Durga got a lot of pressure in the mini game) that Vecna jumped in to change the topic. Vecna did the same for some other wagons. I'm not sure who he's saving like he did Durga, but it seems very similar to last game. His posts seem forced like they did last game too, as the GM I thought on D1 "oh man, when Durga flips it'll be obvious how Vecna was defending her". Gonna ##vote Vecna

Wasn't Vecna also a source of the lfischl pressure?

In this game? Vecna never voted lfischl.

Oh really? the bot might not have detected it, but if youre trying to make your arguments based on the bot it already shows us that youre not actually reading into why im doing stuff.

##vote Ifischl

non-town alignment detected

[Jamiet99uk]

##GM NOTE
Please remember to not forget to not +1. Other than GM posts. But nobody else. Thanks.

Whoops sorry I think this was me.

[Jamiet99uk]

##vote Ifischl

non-town alignment detected

This vote was invalid because the first letter in this person's name is L, not I.

It's lfischl not Ifischl.

[Jamiet99uk]

I purport that lfischl has deliberately chosen an easily mis-spelled username to gain a slight advantage in Mafia by avoiding votes.

(Not really).

[ghug]

Dammit, I lost the post. But to whoever said "Chaqa was a threat", literally no one fears Chaqa as town lmao. His whole schtick and effectiveness is based on underestimation, intentional to boot.

Unless I misread it and it's fear of scum!Chaqa, but that's neither here nor there.

But you and I both remember when he -was- a threat as town.

Even in that stupid among us, he loves to lead and is actually useful.

I dont wanna play with this lame-ass version of Chaqa if he is town. Get him the fuck out of here. murder-death-kill. Id rather have 10 ghugs or 3 bo_socks.

Chaqa was never good as town. Also 10 of me would be great.

[e.m.c^42]

People in the mini-game said that Jamie has been working to tone down that aspect of his town play. Would that change how you're reading him here?

Lol no. His general aggression levels have nothing to do with game state and everything to do with his current sobriety levels.

We're in lockdown. All the pubs in the UK are closed. I rarely drink alone. I've been drunk once since Christmas.

Yep, and you have also been good with keeping temper in recent times.

[brainbomb]

##vote bozo

[e.m.c^42]

Dammit, I lost the post. But to whoever said "Chaqa was a threat", literally no one fears Chaqa as town lmao. His whole schtick and effectiveness is based on underestimation, intentional to boot.

Unless I misread it and it's fear of scum!Chaqa, but that's neither here nor there.

But you and I both remember when he -was- a threat as town.

Even in that stupid among us, he loves to lead and is actually useful.

I dont wanna play with this lame-ass version of Chaqa if he is town. Get him the fuck out of here. murder-death-kill. Id rather have 10 ghugs or 3 bo_socks.

Chaqa was never good as town. Also 10 of me would be great.

Eh, he's good when he tries. He's just...not threatening. Also that is interesting bo-ghug conversion ratio.