Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

[Vecna]

just seems phoney baloney

You think Jamiet is scum here?

[Jamiet99uk]

why were you so frollicking and merry when brain claimed and vecna did something dumb?
and yet you are so angry about the most minor of other inconveniences?
and basically all of them?

Hm? What was this dumb thing that Vecna did? I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to?

Stop being my spokeperson lol, I dont need one

Vecna he was literally addressing me with a question about you. I'm allowed to answer when people ask me questions, unless you're applying to become my spokesperson?

[Vecna]

Hm? What was this dumb thing that Vecna did? I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to?

Stop being my spokeperson lol, I dont need one

Vecna he was literally addressing me with a question about you. I'm allowed to answer when people ask me questions, unless you're applying to become my spokesperson?

ehm. yeah, ok, I got nothing

[e.m.c^42]

Why do I sort of scumread Jamie, list that consists of one reason:

He's meaner in snark when scum compared to town. When he's town he'll be all "you witless fuck, shove it up your ass" and you're like "hell yes, harder Jamie"
- but when he's scum the response it generates is more of "the fuck, was this a line?"

People in the mini-game said that Jamie has been working to tone down that aspect of his town play. Would that change how you're reading him here?

Lol no. His general aggression levels have nothing to do with game state and everything to do with his current sobriety levels.

[Vecna]

I see you bunny.

Feel free to answer my questions and dig a nice deep hole for yourself.

[e.m.c^42]

I'm not actually scumreading him for anything anger/no anger on his part, this is gut read based on how subtly erotic his messages are. If it pans out I'll be applying it to him like my damo reads :v

[Vecna]

For the people that were scum with bunny in that game where Chaqa and KGray were death-tunneling eachother (or were just playing that game in general).

Compare how he's trying to undermine me here to when he was trying to undermine my unbreakable townread of Dargorygel.

It is the exact same reasoning patterns. The same level of blind determinism without any reasoning or sense behind it.

Town bunny does not do those things. He just sits on the sidelines and asks questions. Pretty meek ones under the radar on D1 usually too.

[Vecna]

I'm not actually scumreading him for anything anger/no anger on his part, this is gut read based on how subtly erotic his messages are. If it pans out I'll be applying it to him like my damo reads :v

You read people similarly to me.

Im gonna give you some homework assignments here if you dont mind and use you as my sound-board

[e.m.c^42]

Why do I sort of scumread Jamie, list that consists of one reason:

He's meaner in snark when scum compared to town. When he's town he'll be all "you witless fuck, shove it up your ass" and you're like "hell yes, harder Jamie"
- but when he's scum the response it generates is more of "the fuck, was this a line?"

You are seeing nuances which, I am afraid, do not exist.

Jamie, dearest, I'm afraid this warmth in the cockles of my heart is detecting something at the very least. Whether it's alignment or not we'll see.

[BunnyGo]

Which others? What reasons?

Talk me through the great reasons Ghug and Chaqa have presented for their votes on me, please?

Macca’s are their own. I don’t understand them as I don’t see people in colors, but I think I get their point.

Could you explain it to me then, please?

You did not answer re: Ghug and Chaqa. Do you therefore agree their votes are shit?

I think their votes are stated to get a read. It's an action one does without necessarily believing or having a strong read. For example, sometimes people say "I townread X" when really they are unsure, but want to see how X responds. Chaqa and ghug seem to be searching for reactions and reads. It's day 1. I think their votes are not "OMG JAMIE SOOOO SCUMMY!!!" they are "hmm...what'll Jimbo do if I do this?" So I would not describe their votes as shit.

I was wondering about your alignment based on your posts myself. But I didn't see the need to reaction test you because so many others were.

[BobMcBob]

explain the bizarre comment about being unable to pocket kgray

i pocketed her last game by being reasonable
this game i am not being reasonable
i cannot pocket her in that way this game, which seems to be the easiest way
full disclaimer, i wasnt just pocketing in that game, i did agree with her on most things

Do the pair of you not have a single working 'SHIFT' key between you?

I ACTUALLY HAVE TWO
But people were getting confused between normal Bob and funky Bob, so I decided to make the difference mor pronounced
hence punctuation
gone
poof
vanish

[Vecna]

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g=61&user=BunnyGo

Bunny iso from M61.

Scan his later days. See how he defends and incriminates certain players.

Compare it to his recent big posts. Let me know what you think how that reflects to his usual town D1.

My itnerpretation: He came out guns blazing really quickly because:

a: Either im too dangerously close to his teammates and he feel he has to interfere already for some reason
b: or im ignoring Jamiets wagon (jamiet being scum) and attacking town Chaqa, and he sees a nice opportunity to make me look bad.

[e.m.c^42]

I'm not actually scumreading him for anything anger/no anger on his part, this is gut read based on how subtly erotic his messages are. If it pans out I'll be applying it to him like my damo reads :v

You read people similarly to me.

Im gonna give you some homework assignments here if you dont mind and use you as my sound-board

Lmao buddying here is beyond belief but sure thing. For you, almost always <3

[BunnyGo]

Weird question: do you have synesthesia? I'm curious if that is why you associate players with colors.

Agree on your last point as well. Though it's possible I'm just hedging after getting beaten last game. I guess we'll see.

Here's what I saw last game D1 as GM: When Durga took early pressure, he did this vote hopping "what can I get to stick?" and managed to deflect. The hard part for reading Vecna is this is how he plays D1 as town...

But I'd be very suspicious of Vecna if lfischl flips town.

Vote hopping? I set up my second partner as the counter-wagon to make either of my teammates that would survive look very good.

The only reason I switched was because Kgray put up a counter-wagon that was conveniently already in my scumreads and I felt I could let her take more of the blame for that later on.

Both wagons had already stuck and had plenty of support amongst people. And what did I deflect on exactly? I claimed my reasons for my actions clearly.

Your characterization is not very sharp Bunny. You saying youre suspicious of me based on a potential town-flip of lfischl is also weak. How about you take a stance on his alignment yourself? As a GM, what did you notice of lfischl's play compared to this game?

And trying to say I play as town looking for what will stick? Yeah, im sure you'll get a lot of people to agree with that.

I noticed lfischl's play was not political. Meaning that while he was thinking and hunting in his own way, he didn't explain or lobby in any way to help explain himself and get people to agree with him. It's something that's been lacking in my town game too.

I'm saying that your play D1 is very similar. It's concerning. And your push on Chaqa was lame.

[Vecna]

I'm not actually scumreading him for anything anger/no anger on his part, this is gut read based on how subtly erotic his messages are. If it pans out I'll be applying it to him like my damo reads :v

You read people similarly to me.

Im gonna give you some homework assignments here if you dont mind and use you as my sound-board

Lmao buddying here is beyond belief but sure thing. For you, almost always <3

For what its worth, I still think you are plausibly non-town allignment here. Youre not giving off your usual townvibes to me. You do a good job with the usual townmeta in how you approach Jamiet, but it doesnt have completely the same feel as when youre usually overthinking the way of how to describe your read.

This exercise serves a nice double purpose.

[BunnyGo]

While I guess I can sort of agree...

Im missing your whimsical aura of "all the secrets of the universe are mine" and more importantly "I know somethiiiiiiing - and you guuuuuys doooo-oooont".

@Vecna you never answered what the EMC test for damo was. Also, does damo know about the test?

EMC just has this thing of "if damo is acting very happy, he's scum".

Obviously he's aware of it. Theres a reason im pushing Damo for more participation.

Interesting. My stated damo read is that if he's bored then he's scum. But everyone reads tone differently.

[Vecna]

Here's what I saw last game D1 as GM: When Durga took early pressure, he did this vote hopping "what can I get to stick?" and managed to deflect. The hard part for reading Vecna is this is how he plays D1 as town...

But I'd be very suspicious of Vecna if lfischl flips town.

Vote hopping? I set up my second partner as the counter-wagon to make either of my teammates that would survive look very good.

The only reason I switched was because Kgray put up a counter-wagon that was conveniently already in my scumreads and I felt I could let her take more of the blame for that later on.

Both wagons had already stuck and had plenty of support amongst people. And what did I deflect on exactly? I claimed my reasons for my actions clearly.

Your characterization is not very sharp Bunny. You saying youre suspicious of me based on a potential town-flip of lfischl is also weak. How about you take a stance on his alignment yourself? As a GM, what did you notice of lfischl's play compared to this game?

And trying to say I play as town looking for what will stick? Yeah, im sure you'll get a lot of people to agree with that.

I noticed lfischl's play was not political. Meaning that while he was thinking and hunting in his own way, he didn't explain or lobby in any way to help explain himself and get people to agree with him. It's something that's been lacking in my town game too.

I'm saying that your play D1 is very similar. It's concerning. And your push on Chaqa was lame.

How is my push on Chaqa lame? How can you excuse what he's trying to do yet again?

[Vecna]

@Vecna you never answered what the EMC test for damo was. Also, does damo know about the test?

EMC just has this thing of "if damo is acting very happy, he's scum".

Obviously he's aware of it. Theres a reason im pushing Damo for more participation.

Interesting. My stated damo read is that if he's bored then he's scum. But everyone reads tone differently.

Yeah, EMC just happens to be 100% accurate so I dont value anyone elses opinion.

Also your reactions here read as complete "oh fuck, try to disengage bunny".

[BunnyGo]

Current thoughts:

I don't mind the jamie wagon. While Jamie's snarky summary of the wagon makes it seem bad, Maniac and others have interesting reasons.

I don't like the Chaqa wagon. I think Vecna's reasons are bad. I think the members of the wagon are sketchy. I think the timing and manner of its formulation is sketchy.

I like the Bona wagon (obv, I'm on it). I still think Bona had a lot of posts that were "too sketchy to be sketchy" by just spewing statements and then contradicting them about 10 minutes later for no reason. His high school chummy drama seemed like a way to post a lot without doing anything.

I am worried that when lfischl took early pressure (I didn't understand why, but I didn't understand why Durga got a lot of pressure in the mini game) that Vecna jumped in to change the topic. Vecna did the same for some other wagons. I'm not sure who he's saving like he did Durga, but it seems very similar to last game. His posts seem forced like they did last game too, as the GM I thought on D1 "oh man, when Durga flips it'll be obvious how Vecna was defending her". Gonna ##vote Vecna

Who have I tried to defend here?

What topic of discussion have I tried to stop?

You didn't defend Durga last game, you just steered the conversation. It was masterful. The same way you haven't defended ANYONE. But you've steered the conversation. It's well done. And now you OMGUS me? After saying I'm scummy and then not saying I'm scummy and then I'm scummy again? It's like you're looking for something to stick and get your feet under you.

[BunnyGo]

For the people that were scum with bunny in that game where Chaqa and KGray were death-tunneling eachother (or were just playing that game in general).

Compare how he's trying to undermine me here to when he was trying to undermine my unbreakable townread of Dargorygel.

It is the exact same reasoning patterns. The same level of blind determinism without any reasoning or sense behind it.

Town bunny does not do those things. He just sits on the sidelines and asks questions. Pretty meek ones under the radar on D1 usually too.

It's day 1...vs KiLo. And I'm trying to not be a loud asshole on day 1 to get reads like I have been the last few games. It's not fun. Are you that offended I'm pushing you for playing identically to the mini game?