Mafia 1016: America's Past-Crime [HIDDEN]

[Durga]

It means I could ##Vote Bona.

Now it's tied and Celaph is the only person not on a Group 1 wagon.

The level of mental gymnastics that must go on in your brain Jamiet.

Scumread Durga? Check
Scumread Kgray? Check
Viable Durga wagon? Check
Sheep Kgray onto Bona? Obviously

I deliberately tied it to force Celaph to vote in Group 1.

You didn't care which of me or bona flipped or what?

[Durga]

do y'all really think if i'm scum mafia is gonna just chill and let me die here? can someone MOVE

Thinking about this comment by durga as EoD approached. If durga is scum, I expect the other scums would NOT just let her hang, if they could avoid it. But it looks like bozo was absent. And the 'other' scum could have done all they could do by voting elsewhere.

OR they could have decided in this short mini game that the time to bus had come.

Which all is WIFOMy. Other than to confirm in my mind that durga's scum-mates might indeed have left her to be kicked off the team.

##VOTE Durga

None of this is making any sense to me. I'm sure bozo was just content to vote me since it was town v town. If I was scum with bozo and he wanted to bus me I'd suspect he would actually push my kill then so he can get townie points from it. He obviously didn't care who died and I suspect neither of his teammates were in much danger last day given I'VE BEEN THE ONLY WAGON FOR LIKE TWO FULL DAYS AGHHHHHHFHFHFHH

[Durga]

just checked, there does not appear to be any votes or msg's from bozo in the last few hours on either day

Hm, then it's entirely possible Bozo stayed parked on Durga simply because he wasn't around.

However, would scum Bozo really park his vote on his scum team-mate Durga on D2, when she was only just saved from the Daykill on D1, if he knew he wouldn't be around? Wouldn't that be a hugely risky place to leave his vote parked?

Not if he thought she was a lost cause because she was already under so much pressure. And this is probably irrelevant, but I could totally see Durga just telling her team to bus her in scum chat. She doesn't like being scum and she's clearly not enjoying this game, so I think she'd rather her teammates stay hidden than keep her alive.

Okay I will say that no matter what alignment I am I always play to win and I'd never just roll over and die as scum or town. Also bussing is stupid I would never support it.

[lfischl]

I don't like baseball. It's an extremely dull sport.

[kgray]

Man I'm tired and the thought of fighting this again is exhausting, honestly bozo's flip should practically clear me. Whatever nonsense kgray is talking about me being awkward around bozo is ridiculous. He was hardly here, you can apply that logic to half this game.

##vote kgray because I feel like she's just "saved" me twice to set me up for a later miskill and this bozo argument just proves that

Why didn't you vote for bozo D1 when he was your counterwagon and you'd not read the game?

When was bozo my counterwagon? I don't remember him even being on the table. I remember it being Jamiet and then I was sus of damo so I voted for damo. I don't vote for people I don't find scummy if I can vote for someone I do.

You were sus of damo because of his vote for you, right? Were you not sus of bozo's reasons for his vote for you?

[Durga]

I really hope im not wrong on Durga lol. I can only imagine Bozo's face reading all of this if she's actually town.

You're wrong. And I still have no idea why you're tunnelling on me like this.

[Jamiet99uk]

The level of mental gymnastics that must go on in your brain Jamiet.

Scumread Durga? Check
Scumread Kgray? Check
Viable Durga wagon? Check
Sheep Kgray onto Bona? Obviously

I deliberately tied it to force Celaph to vote in Group 1.

You didn't care which of me or bona flipped or what?

I thought either of you was a reasonable punt, yes, especially with Bona's odd behaviour.

Turns out he's just odd, but there we are.

[Durga]

Okay well I feel like Jamie and Vecna are legitimately trying to figure this out with me, so they're most likely town. Vecna not being 100% in sync with me is sort of comforting, and even though I feel like Jamie sometimes has convenient blinders on to certain facts, I think he does that as town and he's clearly putting in effort. None of what either of them are doing *couldn't* be done by scum, but it seems earnest to me.

I doubt lfischl is scum and I'm never killing celaph here. So I think today needs to be Durga, and then it will probably between Rivera and darg for me. I think it's more likely Rivera?

Tell us about your read on Ifischl.

I feel like Ifischl is pretty low-impact, and that worries me slightly.

Can someone tell me what his usual pkaystyle is

[Jamiet99uk]

do y'all really think if i'm scum mafia is gonna just chill and let me die here? can someone MOVE

Thinking about this comment by durga as EoD approached. If durga is scum, I expect the other scums would NOT just let her hang, if they could avoid it. But it looks like bozo was absent. And the 'other' scum could have done all they could do by voting elsewhere.

OR they could have decided in this short mini game that the time to bus had come.

Which all is WIFOMy. Other than to confirm in my mind that durga's scum-mates might indeed have left her to be kicked off the team.

##VOTE Durga

None of this is making any sense to me. I'm sure bozo was just content to vote me since it was town v town. If I was scum with bozo and he wanted to bus me I'd suspect he would actually push my kill then so he can get townie points from it. He obviously didn't care who died and I suspect neither of his teammates were in much danger last day given I'VE BEEN THE ONLY WAGON FOR LIKE TWO FULL DAYS AGHHHHHHFHFHFHH

If you are town, Dargorygel could be scum. His arguments against you are... confusing.

[Jamiet99uk]

Okay well I feel like Jamie and Vecna are legitimately trying to figure this out with me, so they're most likely town. Vecna not being 100% in sync with me is sort of comforting, and even though I feel like Jamie sometimes has convenient blinders on to certain facts, I think he does that as town and he's clearly putting in effort. None of what either of them are doing *couldn't* be done by scum, but it seems earnest to me.

I doubt lfischl is scum and I'm never killing celaph here. So I think today needs to be Durga, and then it will probably between Rivera and darg for me. I think it's more likely Rivera?

Tell us about your read on Ifischl.

I feel like Ifischl is pretty low-impact, and that worries me slightly.

Can someone tell me what his usual pkaystyle is

I think this is the second time I've seen Ifischl play. I don't have enough information. (And he is doing a decent job of not adding to that repository).

[Durga]

Okay well I feel like Jamie and Vecna are legitimately trying to figure this out with me, so they're most likely town. Vecna not being 100% in sync with me is sort of comforting, and even though I feel like Jamie sometimes has convenient blinders on to certain facts, I think he does that as town and he's clearly putting in effort. None of what either of them are doing *couldn't* be done by scum, but it seems earnest to me.

I doubt lfischl is scum and I'm never killing celaph here. So I think today needs to be Durga, and then it will probably between Rivera and darg for me. I think it's more likely Rivera?

It very much feels like you're not solving and you're just figuring out who the next kill is going to be

[dargorygel]

Would it be helpful if we all listed our two top guesses for the scum team right now? I am not desiring to give the scumroom info for their faction kill. But maybe we would find we have more cohesion than we think.
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TBH, we are all floundering a little.

We have no absolute, confirmed, scumfolk.

So when someone suggests that "BLANK" is my top, the person in question (whether they are scum or not) can always poke holes in the theory. Because it is theory. It is not much more than gut, augmented by a bit of logic.

[Jamiet99uk]

I don't like baseball. It's an extremely dull sport.

Seriously though.

Lots of Americans seem to think football (i.e. proper football, or if you prefer "soccer") is boring, but have this freakish love for baseball, a sport where a bunch of guys hit balls with sticks and run in circles for hours, and basically nothing happens.

[dargorygel]

and by 'top two scumreads' I am suggesting we list OUTSIDE of the Brain list. We WILL daykill from the list, today. But I'd like to hear our thoughts regardless of the list.

[Jamiet99uk]

Would it be helpful if we all listed our two top guesses for the scum team right now? I am not desiring to give the scumroom info for their faction kill. But maybe we would find we have more cohesion than we think.
----
TBH, we are all floundering a little.

We have no absolute, confirmed, scumfolk.

So when someone suggests that "BLANK" is my top, the person in question (whether they are scum or not) can always poke holes in the theory. Because it is theory. It is not much more than gut, augmented by a bit of logic.

How would guessing two make it any less theoretical?
Do we have to justify why we think they're paired?

[Jamiet99uk]

and by 'top two scumreads' I am suggesting we list OUTSIDE of the Brain list. We WILL daykill from the list, today. But I'd like to hear our thoughts regardless of the list.

So you want us to list our top two scum from a pool that is guaranteed to have between zero and one scum in it?

[kgray]

Okay well I feel like Jamie and Vecna are legitimately trying to figure this out with me, so they're most likely town. Vecna not being 100% in sync with me is sort of comforting, and even though I feel like Jamie sometimes has convenient blinders on to certain facts, I think he does that as town and he's clearly putting in effort. None of what either of them are doing *couldn't* be done by scum, but it seems earnest to me.

I doubt lfischl is scum and I'm never killing celaph here. So I think today needs to be Durga, and then it will probably between Rivera and darg for me. I think it's more likely Rivera?

It very much feels like you're not solving and you're just figuring out who the next kill is going to be

Wow. I can believe you just said that lol

[kgray]

Okay well I feel like Jamie and Vecna are legitimately trying to figure this out with me, so they're most likely town. Vecna not being 100% in sync with me is sort of comforting, and even though I feel like Jamie sometimes has convenient blinders on to certain facts, I think he does that as town and he's clearly putting in effort. None of what either of them are doing *couldn't* be done by scum, but it seems earnest to me.

I doubt lfischl is scum and I'm never killing celaph here. So I think today needs to be Durga, and then it will probably between Rivera and darg for me. I think it's more likely Rivera?

It very much feels like you're not solving and you're just figuring out who the next kill is going to be

Wow. I can believe you just said that lol

*can’t

[Durga]

Bozo's last post yesterday was 3 hours before EOD, so he could have just not been around when you had a counterwagon?

I have no idea if he was around or not but the fact is he was comfortable to park his vote on me and dip totally. Not something you do to your teammates

Vecna says that Bozo has sometimes bussed his team-mates hard, in the past. What is your verdict of this assessment of Bozo's history?

When I was scum with him we all bussed summit_fever because he was disgustingly obv scum and he immediately gave up but I don't recall any other bussing from that game.

[Jamiet99uk]

It very much feels like you're not solving and you're just figuring out who the next kill is going to be

Wow. I can believe you just said that lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHRx40poWeQ