Do I survive with units but no centers?

[Bark]

If someone else is about to solo after the autumn move, and I still have units but just lost all of my centers, will I survive or am I eliminated?

[dipperjay]

If someone else is about to solo after the autumn move, and I still have units but just lost all of my centers, will I survive or am I eliminated?

That is logged as a survival.

[Bark]

If someone else is about to solo after the autumn move, and I still have units but just lost all of my centers, will I survive or am I eliminated?

That is logged as a survival.

Thanks!

[David E. Cohen]

That is very strange. The adjudication that would give the winner the dots necessary to solo would be the same adjudication that would reduce the questioner's total number of dots to zero. Am I missing something here?

[A_Tin_Can]

The rulebook says that anyone with units on the board is a survivor. Adjustments to remove units happen after centres are counted.

I'm surprised it works this way on webdip, though. I would have thought it would be an elimination. In practice, this subtlety doesn't matter much.

[David E. Cohen]

I never really thought about it, since it doesn't make a difference to me, but yeah, you are right. For a quantum of time, that is true

[yavuzovic]

Actually you can even survive without units on the board. If they dislodge you and it's the retreats turn, you don't have a unit that can be seen. We can even say that you don't have a unit in any way if there is nowhere you can retreat to. Then, if you draw, you can survive and join the draw as a side without land or units :)

[DougJoe]

The rulebook says that anyone with units on the board is a survivor. Adjustments to remove units happen after centres are counted.

The latest version of the rulebook online only seems to count "pieces on the board" as a criteria of who gets in a draw, not who "survives" in a solo:

"As soon as one Great Power controls 18 supply centers, it’s considered to have gained control of Europe. The player representing that Great Power is the winner. However, players can end the game by agreement before a winner is determined.]In this case, all players who still have pieces on the game board share equally in a draw."

...in fact there dosen't appear to be any deifined criteria for "survival" at all.

I'm surprised it works this way on webdip, though. I would have thought it would be an elimination. In practice, this subtlety doesn't matter much.

Agreed, it probably doesn't really matter much... although for my own internal stat tracking for games against the bots, I count being at zero supply centers when somebody else hits 18+ as an elimination. A quick scan of my bot games comes up with 4 out of 182 where it's happened (2%). Maybe it's more common in human games, I dunno.