MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[Bonatogether]

I dont see much coming from bona emc or donny

I don't really know what to do now, since we're dking the non-mechanical people (also i've been sleeping for about 12 hours)

[damo666]

I would wager that celaph is not last alien and the rb claim is to shirk the townclearing duty he had purported to be willfully invested in. Furthermore the odds that he is final alien are heavily in question. Mafia would not be inclined if existent to roleblock an alien that would be willing to shoot town as a sayanora.

information being witheld and choice of nk suggests both sides (if existant) are focused on lettng claims happen and looking for where they can squeeze in fakes

Celaph was RB by parrot

allegedly

[Bonatogether]

If bona is alien he is alien sympathiser.

Not possible

Explain

I'm not alien, so it's not possible. Also my claim/discard doesn't line up with it.

[jasnah]

I would wager that celaph is not last alien and the rb claim is to shirk the townclearing duty he had purported to be willfully invested in. Furthermore the odds that he is final alien are heavily in question. Mafia would not be inclined if existent to roleblock an alien that would be willing to shoot town as a sayanora.

information being witheld and choice of nk suggests both sides (if existant) are focused on lettng claims happen and looking for where they can squeeze in fakes

Celaph was RB by parrot

allegedly

I'm at least like 80% inclined to believe that it was a parrot RB, to give a conservative assessment, but not confident to say either way that he is the last alien or isn't

[jasnah]

Bona is #1 on my shit list for sure, whether or not he's a town role, he's by far the single greatest impediment to town getting anything of use done so far. Take out the garbage Bona

Celaph-bona-jasnah alien team?

Bona was the deciding vote to save celaph after pushing...

Why would I scumread celaph and jasnah the entire game, though, if that's the case?

It's deep bussing strategy, I looked at my QT N1 and said 'wow no way I can make towncore with these losers, OK guys only one hope, we will all accuse each other tomorrow and by my natural persuasive abilities I'll win and gain trust of town', except out of this proposed alien roster the only one who is dead so far is the most competent one and I'm left alive with one outed, about to be dead teammate and a wholly unbearable teammate where we've both managed to hate each other yet have town hate us both. So the theory kind of falls apart.

[brainbomb]

ok so parrot proved theres still maf and potentially stopped a second kill but we wont know if cel was gonna do a last hurrah

[damo666]

Not possible

Explain

I'm not alien, so it's not possible. Also my claim/discard doesn't line up with it.

You claim vt and to have discarded goon. I scanned you as vanilla. So from mpov it is possible that you are vt, goon or alien sympathiser.

I happen to think you are vt but alien sympathiser is not impossible (from outside pov).

[jasnah]

ok so parrot proved theres still maf and potentially stopped a second kill but we wont know if cel was gonna do a last hurrah

Sorry, I should clarify: it's my belief that if celaph was indeed telling the truth about RB, I'm 80% that it was parrot, but I can't discount the possibility that he made up RB entirely.

[jasnah]

Also @ Maniac, no I am not softing or claiming anything today. I've been emphatic on this point and not changing barring extreme circumstances, no double speak here.

I may claim tomorrow.

[brainbomb]

I am almost certain all remaining scum have long since claimed and now were entering the portion of the game where sowing seeds of doubt will be easier for them.

If mechanical clearance was the goal any decent scum player wouldve found a way by now to not be in the crosshairs

[brainbomb]

Another night without any deaths lmao. This game is certainly something.

Im struggling to discern if this is disappointment on his sleeve or if he is sincerely proud of this.

[brainbomb]

Ok this might be crazy:
What if there is no mafia?

this actually makes sense in combo with bunnys admissions. Slight towncred for ezio

[brainbomb]

This is some janky business and I dunno what's up with it

this is a bit weird for a vt to say. no one knows whats up with it. I mean, stating the obvious here but it reads funny to me

[brainbomb]

I'm a caveman. HR saved celaph. HR was alien. Seems likely celaph is alien.

This is pretty shallow reasoning coming from the same person who fakeclaimed doc and insisted that he'd never expect the real doc to CC because it was the optimal move not to. Do you think HR is that obvious about his teammates?

And, since so much of your defense of your lie was "what's the scum motivation for what I did" I would like to know what you think the scum motivation for celaph's "last words" post was.

Idk they both seem pretty clear cut cases. Scum like to save their teammates, especially if ceph is a powerful role.
Doc shouldn't cc b/c there's no reason to. I just protected them. Seemed obvious.
Which "last words" post of his are you referring to?

this is a shameless explanation of what ezio would typically eliminate me for in most games. He considers fake claiming and fancy hypo plays to be anti town. In this game he called my antics the most anti town actions hes ever seen. So this feels a bit iffy

[brainbomb]

Why'd you quote yourself?

needed to edit. In the first post I had "town" where "scum" needed to be.

ZOMG EZIO SCUMSLIPPED GUYS

ghug and ezio back and forth all game is weird since ghug later calls ezio brilliant

[brainbomb]

@bona

Your defense of me is awful. While DK'ing me wouldn't give any information about *my* posts, you still get the interactions from everyone else to the wagon.

If I flip scum d1 then (in a normal setup with only 1 scumteam), then ppl who pushed me and were willing to vote *me* as opposed to the other low posters have huge towncred. The people who pushed hard against me would have scumcred. You can basically flip it for townflip.

Essentially, there's still tons of information about me from the rest of the game, even if I don't say anything at all. When you add on the value a big poster like Kgray (not brainbomb) adds to the game, on day one where every read is bullshit, you should go after the low poster.

Why did you call me out in particular? Why not Bunny or ghug or Bob? And why are you dismissing brain?

B/c I've played with bb before. He's the most anti town player I've ever had the pleasure of being in a game with. His statement of "town wins when he's not town" earlier this game was roughly half accurate. I'd say the inverse is more true though
"town loses when he's town".

I called you out in particular b/c you're the only one who's made anything related to reasonable statements this phase.

So you decided to risk outing the doc in hopes of being more like me

[Bonatogether]

Explain

I'm not alien, so it's not possible. Also my claim/discard doesn't line up with it.

You claim vt and to have discarded goon. I scanned you as vanilla. So from mpov it is possible that you are vt, goon or alien sympathiser.

I happen to think you are vt but alien sympathiser is not impossible (from outside pov).

oh. I thought sympathiser didn't scan as vanilla

[e.m.c^42]

ok so parrot proved theres still maf and potentially stopped a second kill but we wont know if cel was gonna do a last hurrah

Pretty much. Or alien team used their kill with another member, but this wouldn't be known until after next night.

[brainbomb]

mechanics alone will not win this game for town. there are too many unknown variables still out there. I suggest rereading individual players and looking for general scumminess first and foremost.

[brainbomb]

look for deliberate mistakes vs non deliberate.

for example ezio trying to out doctor roles is generally not in his townplay